honorentheos wrote:He thinks he's winning and we are too stupid to see why the facts don't matter in cases like this. While there is clearly a segment of the population to whom that applies he is not really grasping that his view doesn't come from rejecting facts but instead prioritizing the greater truthbias of his political allegiance over the content of any one particular source or meme.
honorentheos wrote:He thinks he's winning and we are too stupid to see why the facts don't matter in cases like this. While there is clearly a segment of the population to whom that applies he is not really grasping that his view doesn't come from rejecting facts but instead prioritizing the greater truthbias of his political allegiance over the content of any one particular source or meme.
I suggest one word change, above. ; )
I'd like to keep the concept of truth in the reference to subbie's thinking precisely because he keeps asserting it plays no meaningful role. I'd argue that even as a budding post-modernist his dismissal of any facts misrepresented in the meme doesn't come from a true disbelief in there being objective facts based on recent things he's shared. Rather, he doesn't think anyone cares about them. My argument is that he mistakes placing those facts at a lower order compared to the facts (as he sees them) that feed his dislike of liberal politics.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
Honorentheos, are you, in effect, stating that actual reality is completely irrelevant, as far as subby is concerned, unless it coincides with what he wants to be true?
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
honorentheos wrote:He thinks he's winning and we are too stupid to see why the facts don't matter in cases like this.
What makes me SMH is the Dunning-Kruger-esque reasoning behind this and his claims about 'controlling the narrative', as if the fact that decent or honest folks feel compelled to respond (which he characterizes as a mistake) to intentional dishonesty wielded by others is somehow a 'win' for the dishonest players, who then gleefully claim that they control the narrative because they can elicit a response.
It's a bit like how children throwing a tantrum or lying to their teachers in school will prompt the adults to step in to correct the situation. Perhaps subs seeks attention based on acting like a dishonest child.
'Controlling the narrative', as a phrase, seems most often used these days by folks who know - at least subconsciously - that they've ceded any claimed high ground to their opponent during their self-sacrifice to partisan political stupidity. I guess that they see abandoning their integrity as some kind of badge of honor.
honorentheos wrote:I'd like to keep the concept of truth in the reference to subbie's thinking precisely because he keeps asserting it plays no meaningful role. I'd argue that even as a budding post-modernist his dismissal of any facts misrepresented in the meme doesn't come from a true disbelief in there being objective facts based on recent things he's shared. Rather, he doesn't think anyone cares about them. My argument is that he mistakes placing those facts at a lower order compared to the facts (as he sees them) that feed his dislike of liberal politics.
So, when we apply your thinking to the context of the OP - do you believe that the Anderson Cooper/CNN clarification for that the image changed people's mind about "Fake News"? Did the knowledge that the Cooper image was from a different hurricane suddenly make the conservative voter proclaim - "oh, well in that case I will probably not vote in November, or maybe if i do vote I will vote Democrat"?....or do you believe the ever elusive "undecided" voter dismissed their first impression of the image and have determined that the Right's position is unfounded? (because the fake news wasn't about the correct hurricane). Just curious how you position the relevance of "facts" in a political/election context.
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subgenius wrote:So, when we apply your thinking to the context of the OP - do you believe that the Anderson Cooper/CNN clarification for that the image changed people's mind about "Fake News"?
Not to dishonest or ignorant people, as can be seen by your posting of the CNN ‘fake news’ meme within OP.
honorentheos wrote:I'd like to keep the concept of truth in the reference to subbie's thinking precisely because he keeps asserting it plays no meaningful role. I'd argue that even as a budding post-modernist his dismissal of any facts misrepresented in the meme doesn't come from a true disbelief in there being objective facts based on recent things he's shared. Rather, he doesn't think anyone cares about them. My argument is that he mistakes placing those facts at a lower order compared to the facts (as he sees them) that feed his dislike of liberal politics.
So, when we apply your thinking to the context of the opening post - do you believe that the Anderson Cooper/CNN clarification for that the image changed people's mind about "Fake News"? Did the knowledge that the Cooper image was from a different hurricane suddenly make the conservative voter proclaim - "oh, well in that case I will probably not vote in November, or maybe if i do vote I will vote Democrat"?....or do you believe the ever elusive "undecided" voter dismissed their first impression of the image and have determined that the Right's position is unfounded? (because the fake news wasn't about the correct hurricane). Just curious how you position the relevance of "facts" in a political/election context.
You talk about conservative voters as if you and, say, Jersey Girl all think the same. I don't think your meme helped pull those who traditionally vote Republican but are getting tired of the bad Trump aftertaste from 2016 back into aligning with those who think like you and would vote for a Trump-supported candidate no matter what. I suspect the fact it was presented as current but turned out to be old and a misrepresentation of what was going on just furthers the distaste they have for everything going on in politics in general. It would be just one more reason to stop listening and hope to God someone puts the brakes on the Trump train.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
You can see how insidious this Anderson Cooper character really is when he chooses to combat enfeebled conservodistortionalism* with the actual story. If everyone took this tack the world would not be big enough for an alternative version of the truth.