Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: No ____ you don't know. No one will ever know because it's impossible to prove guilt or innocence with this accusation. So. What are we supposed to do with it?
What are we supposed to do with it? Let me try again.
DoubtingThomas wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:I’m interested. How do you distinguish between a leftist character assassination and a right-wing covering for an old friend? Or even a right-wing faulty memory? In my opinion, that’s why this should be handled by the professionals who have some training and experience at investigation. Instead, we have carefully crafted press releases and amateurs with an agenda running around mucking things up.
Exactly! But investigators with at least some training in peer-reviewed science, psychology, and memory.
Professional investigators needs to interview all of Kavanaugh high school friends and classmates. Doctors need to see Ford to see if there is any evidence of trauma.
A shocking number of conservative thought leaders are going with the defense that a violent attempted rape between teens isn't that big of a deal. Brought to you by some of the same morally bankrupt monsters who thought Tamir Rice deserved to die. Subs is trollishly hinting at that here. There's a lot to get upset about with that line of argument, but what gets me the most is the message it's sending to their sons and daughters.
EAllusion wrote:You more or less described Ford as a liar making up a false allegation for political purposes Doc. That isn't high-minded suspension of judgement over Kavanaugh's guilt. It's an affirmative position that requires a sound basis to believe. And when you tried to offer that case you predictably fell on your face.
Your incredibly naïve and dangerous suppositions aside, are you actually telling me, and I want a direct answer, that a person should resign or otherwise remove themselves from a nomination or position based on an accusation of rape?
Also, "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
- Doc
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EAllusion wrote:YouDemocrats more or less described FordKavanaugh as a liar rapist, making up a false denying the allegation for political purposes Doc. That isn't high-minded suspension of judgement over Kavanaugh'sguilt innocence. It's an affirmative position that requires a sound basis to believe. And when you Democrats tried to offer that case you they predictably fell on your their face.
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Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
EAllusion wrote:You more or less described Ford as a liar making up a false allegation for political purposes Doc. That isn't high-minded suspension of judgement over Kavanaugh's guilt. It's an affirmative position that requires a sound basis to believe. And when you tried to offer that case you predictably fell on your face.
Your incredibly naïve and dangerous suppositions aside, are you actually telling me, and I want a direct answer, that a person should resign or otherwise remove themselves from a nomination or position based on an accusation of rape?
- Doc
in the context of Kavanaugh/Ford it is an accusation of "made teenage me feel like rape was possible".
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
EAllusion wrote:You more or less described Ford as a liar making up a false allegation for political purposes Doc. That isn't high-minded suspension of judgement over Kavanaugh's guilt. It's an affirmative position that requires a sound basis to believe. And when you tried to offer that case you predictably fell on your face.
Your incredibly naïve and dangerous suppositions aside, are you actually telling me, and I want a direct answer, that a person should resign or otherwise remove themselves from a nomination or position based on an accusation of rape?
- Doc
I have been pretty clear in saying I don't think that. You can check the other thread on this topic for a detailed explanation of where I stand and why.
This has nothing to do with the fact that you accused Ford of being a liar based on what amounts to your personal prejudices. Failing to fall in line with that doesn't equate to reflexively believing her and you know that.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Compare that with how quickly support for Kavanaugh dropped after the accusations came out and we see why the current method is maybe a bit more effective (again, ignoring questions on validity)
I'm late to this thread, but does it matter to you Xenophon that Kavanaugh was 17 when this allegedly happened? It seems like the same liberals that make excuses for child criminals like their brain is not fully developed etc. are happy to throw that all out the window if it means stopping an anti abortion vote from getting on the Supreme court which is the real reason behind all of this.
Does it matter to you whether what this woman is alleging actually happened or does it only matter if she believes it happened because some psychologist helped her develop a false memory as part of her therapy?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Compare that with how quickly support for Kavanaugh dropped after the accusations came out and we see why the current method is maybe a bit more effective (again, ignoring questions on validity)
I'm late to this thread, but does it matter to you Xenophon that Kavanaugh was 17 when this allegedly happened? It seems like the same liberals that make excuses for child criminals like their brain is not fully developed etc. are happy to throw that all out the window if it means stopping an anti abortion vote from getting on the Supreme court which is the real reason behind all of this.
Kavanaugh isn't on trial to go to prison for the rest of his life. He's in a job interview for one of the most important public jobs in the world.
One can think a 17 year old who committed attempted rape shouldn't have basic freedoms stripped forever while also thinking that might disqualify them from being one of nine Supreme Court justices.
DoubtingThomas wrote:Professional investigators needs to interview all of Kavanaugh high school friends and classmates. Doctors need to see Ford to see if there is any evidence of trauma.
What would Special Agents be able to ask Kavanaugh that a Senate judiciary committee couldn't while he's under oath? That aside, are you telling me the FBI, after having conducted six background investigations on Kavanaugh throughout his career, would now find something amiss? That's weird. What's even weirder is you think the FBI would be able to do this without President Trump directing them to do it.
As to your second question, lol. THIS, guys, THIS has to be the best post on this thread yet. Lol.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
