ajax18 wrote:I'm late to this thread, but does it matter to you Xenophon that Kavanaugh was 17 when this allegedly happened? It seems like the same liberals that make excuses for child criminals like their brain is not fully developed etc. are happy to throw that all out the window if it means stopping an anti abortion vote from getting on the Supreme court which is the real reason behind all of this.
17 year olds that commit serious crimes are judged as adults. Hell, a 16 year old guy got life in prison for robbery https://www.cbsnews.com/news/missouri-d ... -year-old/. So if a 16 year old can spend the rest of his life in prison for a robbery, then why is 17 years not old enough?
The brain fully develops at 25, but a 17 year old is old enough.
EAllusion wrote:I have been pretty clear in saying I don't think that. You can check the other thread on this topic for a detailed explanation of where I stand and why.
This has nothing to do with the fact that you accused Ford of being a liar based on what amounts to your personal prejudices. Failing to fall in line with that doesn't equate to reflexively believing her and you know that.
I love how you just crap out your opinion about other people's motivations, or internal dialogue, and you argue against that weird superpower you think you have.
I think there's a fallacy or something that describes that tendency...
So. We have one asshole on record that has stated, unequivocally, that a person should resign a nomination based on a rape accusation. Funny how he tends to believe the accuser, I guess, even though he can't really say why or how she's credible beyond #justbelieveher.
I guess I'm not the only one with personal prejudices at play here.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
"Missouri is defending an extremely long prison sentence for a man who committed robbery and other crimes on a single day when he was 16. He won't be eligible for parole until he's 112 years old" https://www.cbsnews.com/news/missouri-d ... -year-old/
But the Republicans want to quickly send Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.
The fact that the Senate investigation, if you can call it that, is being run by Republican operatives who have flat stated their goal is to confirm Kavanaugh and have ignored thee most basic of sound fact finding processes makes it pretty god damn obvious why an accuser might request a more politically neutral investigative body instead. There's nothing suspicious about that.
EAllusion wrote:Kavanaugh isn't on trial to go to prison for the rest of his life. He's in a job interview for one of the most important public jobs in the world.
One can think a 17 year old who committed attempted rape shouldn't have basic freedoms stripped forever while also thinking that might disqualify them from being one of nine Supreme Court justices.
Yeah, no crap you damned goon. People like Rachel Maddow are calling for a criminal investigation to be opened on Kavanaugh and is practically crapping herself with excitement at the idea he would go to prison while sitting on the Supreme Court bench.
I don't know who the Screw you think you're fooling, but you clearly fall in line with these gulagists.
- Doc
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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
EAllusion wrote:The fact that the Senate investigation, if you can call it that, is being run by Republican operatives who have flat stated their goal is to confirm Kavanaugh and have ignored thee most basic of sound fact finding processes makes it pretty god damn obvious why an accuser might request a more politically neutral investigative body instead. There's nothing suspicious about that.
Speaking of operatives, who is Ms. Ford receiving assistance from? You have the integrity to type out the answer?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
EAllusion wrote:I have been pretty clear in saying I don't think that. You can check the other thread on this topic for a detailed explanation of where I stand and why.
This has nothing to do with the fact that you accused Ford of being a liar based on what amounts to your personal prejudices. Failing to fall in line with that doesn't equate to reflexively believing her and you know that.
I love how you just ____ out your opinion about other people's motivations, or internal dialogue, and you argue against that weird superpower you think you have.
I think there's a fallacy or something that describes that tendency...
So. We have one asshole on record that has stated, unequivocally, that a person should resign a nomination based on a rape accusation. Funny how he tends to believe the accuser, I guess, even though he can't really say why or how she's credible beyond #justbelieveher.
I guess I'm not the only one with personal prejudices at play here.
- Doc
Reading isn't a superpower Doc. Are you now disavowing your earlier arguments that Ford is a liar making a false allegation for political leverage?
Not only have I not said I believe her, I have specifically criticized "default believe the accuser" logic.
It kind of gives the game away when you have to pretend you didn't say what you did and invent strawmen positions for others.
DoubtingThomas wrote:Professional investigators needs to interview all of Kavanaugh high school friends and classmates. Doctors need to see Ford to see if there is any evidence of trauma.
What would Special Agents be able to ask Kavanaugh that a Senate judiciary committee couldn't while he's under oath? That aside, are you telling me the FBI, after having conducted six background investigations on Kavanaugh throughout his career, would now find something amiss? That's weird. What's even weirder is you think the FBI would be able to do this without President Trump directing them to do it.
As to your second question, lol. THIS, guys, THIS has to be the best post on this thread yet. Lol.
- Doc
You keep adding words to our mouths. All we are saying is that an investigation is necessary because the accusation is very serious. Nobody is saying that an investigation is going to happen, it is never going to happen. Big political mistake for the Republicans.
So because the FBI conducted six background investigations it means Kavanaugh can no longer be investigated ever again? Second question? What the Hell?
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I don't know who the ____ you think you're fooling, but you clearly fall in line with these gulagists.
- Doc
And we are at the inevitable stage of a thread where you lie about what others have said to deflect from what you actually said. You can almost set your watch to it.
ajax18 wrote:I'm late to this thread, but does it matter to you Xenophon that Kavanaugh was 17 when this allegedly happened? It seems like the same liberals that make excuses for child criminals like their brain is not fully developed etc. are happy to throw that all out the window if it means stopping an anti abortion vote from getting on the Supreme court which is the real reason behind all of this.
While I agree that his anti-pro choice stance is a legitimate justification for opposing his nomination, it is not just that. There are documented instances of his having lied under oath on behalf of conservative cronies and wealthy corporate donors on several occasions. This alone should disqualify him from becoming a Supreme Court Justice.
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