Will someone interpret this dream for me? (WARNING: LONG)

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Gadianton wrote:A final note: Nothing in this dream suggests any kind of perversion whatsoever, if anything, it reveals the opposite, that you're something of an idealist. This is subby projecting his own dark secrets on others to feel better about himself.

Balderdash! (it is likely impossible for me to feel any more better about myself)
Nice of you to piggy back some sort of literary pitch onto Shades's dream, but your forced narrative became burdened with trope after trope after trope.
Nevertheless,
Let us look upon my "Freudian" assertion. As you infer a knowledge between Freud's manifest v latent content I won't bore you with any of that. But you obviously agree, within the context of Freud, that Shades's unconscious mind selects the symbols from his life that he will best understand. Then these symbols are arranged into a narrative structure that best represents the message. So, lets get our Freud on!
Flying, Freedom from previous restriction, adventurous.
Spaceship, unknown self-awareness.
The Future, desire.
Hypersleep (sleep), oblivious/peaceful.
Colorful flowers, pleasure.
Landing/Arrival, resolution.
Crowd, loss of individuality....not part of the crowd?, feeling of being "left out"; lacking social support.
Aliens, undiscovered part of yourself or a far-out idea.
Battle/War, suppression of instinctual urges.
Escape, avoidance.
Friend, an avoided aspect of yourself.
Time travel, escape from reality; a desire to romanticize your world.
Speed (fast), a tough one - could be compulsion or repulsion.
Town, compassion.
Tile, rigid thinking, monotony, and a need for excitement.
Utopia, striving for perfection.

Now, all that being said and in consideration for the fact that our Freudian microscope enlarges all things into sexuality, clearly there is some perversion within this dream. In fact, a major Freudian tool is the idea of repression, which arguably is echoed throughout your dream. Honestly, I am not quite sure what the repressed perversion is at this point (cue Perfume), but it is an inevitable conclusion when going down the Freud path....which is why Jung split from Freud. Jung had a different view of dreams and sex...but alas, apparently I have a dark secret(s) and it would be senseless to discuss any of that here.

I think the key, from either a Freudian or Jungian position is that the dream is not an attempt to "make sense" of the outside world, but rather your inside world...a voyage of self-discovery, eh Columbus?
(and note the cursory mention of your "friend" in this dream is, at this point, intriguing....and mysterious).
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Sub wrote:Nice of you to piggy back some sort of literary pitch...


I agree, it was nice of me. He asked for an interpretation and I provided one. He did not ask for a debate on the current science of dreams, which might be interesting, but it wasn't what the customer was asking for.

Sub wrote:Now, all that being said and in consideration for the fact that our Freudian microscope enlarges all things into sexuality, c


Two big assumptions: That dream analysis requires a Freudian analysis, and that Freudian dream interpretation turns everything into sex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inter ... _of_Dreams

wiki wrote:Critics have argued that Freud's theory of dreams requires sexual interpretation. Freud, however, contested this criticism, noting that "the assertion that all dreams require a sexual interpretation, against which critics rage so incessantly, occurs nowhere in my Interpretation of Dreams. It is not to be found in any of the numerous editions of this book and is in obvious contradiction to other views expressed in it."
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Gadianton wrote:He did not ask for a debate on the current science of dreams, which might be interesting, but it wasn't what the customer was asking for.

I don't know about that. I get more out of reflecting on dreams using the understanding the mind is tidying up and archiving than from the position it's a shout out from the dark to an improv narrator from which to compose the equivalent of a horoscope for one's subconscious.
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subgenius wrote:I think the key, from either a Freudian or Jungian position is that the dream is not an attempt to "make sense" of the outside world, but rather your inside world...a voyage of self-discovery, eh Columbus?

Excellent point! I made my dream analysis not from the works of either a "Freud or Jung" but from suggestions by the great Lou Dobbs, the great Sean Hannity, the wonderful great Jeanine Pirro, and the indomitably wonderful great Vladimir Putin.
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Gadianton wrote:
Sub wrote:Nice of you to piggy back some sort of literary pitch...


I agree, it was nice of me. He asked for an interpretation and I provided one. He did not ask for a debate on the current science of dreams, which might be interesting, but it wasn't what the customer was asking for.

Well, he got what he paid for....and youdidnt even need a BOGO coupon to reference my "interpretation" into yours.


Gadianton wrote:
Sub wrote:Now, all that being said and in consideration for the fact that our Freudian microscope enlarges all things into sexuality, c


Two big assumptions: That dream analysis requires a Freudian analysis, and that Freudian dream interpretation turns everything into sex.

Yes, clearly you have removed the confusion from when i noted that there were options, and that the Freud option is "sexual" by necessity.

Gadianton wrote:
wiki wrote:Critics have argued that Freud's theory of dreams requires sexual interpretation. Freud, however, contested this criticism, noting that "the assertion that all dreams require a sexual interpretation, against which critics rage so incessantly, occurs nowhere in my Interpretation of Dreams. It is not to be found in any of the numerous editions of this book and is in obvious contradiction to other views expressed in it."

Interesting how you say that the customer only wanted an interpretation, because you just packed a science debate into his to-go box.
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And is no one intrigued by the mysterious and diminished appearance of "the friend" in the3rd act?
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subgenius wrote:And is no one intrigued by the mysterious and diminished appearance of "the friend" in the3rd act?

Intrigued just because shades mentioned a friend? What are you, some kind of guttered-minded pervert?
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honorentheos wrote:
subgenius wrote:And is no one intrigued by the mysterious and diminished appearance of "the friend" in the3rd act?

Intrigued just because shades mentioned a friend? What are you, some kind of guttered-minded pervert?

not if you take the Jungian approach.
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I would be pleasantly surprised if you saw that as a reference to his shadow.
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honorentheos wrote:I would be pleasantly surprised if you saw that as a reference to his shadow.

pretty sure that in my earlier post, me and Columbus made my dream philosophy pretty clear.
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