Capitalist Pigs

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

A public persona, whether they're Pearl Jam or Joe Biden, can absolutely negotiate ticket prices, seat availability, and who can attend their event. They're not beholden to market forces, but rather influence them.

You should apologize to me for this:

they are not the ones to determine how much to ask people to pay. Is that too hard to understand?

- Doc

[_subgenius]

Subgenius, what is your take on those $500,000 a plate fundraising/influence peddling dinners held by Republicans?



By the way, is there any way that Melania Trump could borrow this speech for later use?

I need some time to research my answer to your question, but i have faith that i will find support for your idea that Republicans abhor capitalism.

[_subgenius]

I'm not saying she cannot be involved, but I would think things like ticket prices are determined by others that work for her as well as the other groups involved in putting on these events.

So she has no control over ticket prices because her employees have that control?
Oh, now your argument makes perfect sense...how silly for me to have thought your post was just a knee-jerk putting head up her arse.

[_Themis]

I'm not saying she cannot be involved, but I would think things like ticket prices are determined by others that work for her as well as the other groups involved in putting on these events.

So she has no control over ticket prices because her employees have that control?

I already said they can be, but that I don't think that is common thing for most famous people to do for things like ticket prices. You were just attempting your usual weak attack against anyone you view as the enemy.

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

A public persona, whether they're Pearl Jam or Joe Biden, can absolutely negotiate ticket prices, seat availability, and who can attend their event. They're not beholden to market forces, but rather influence them.

- Doc

Bands don't set ticket prices...

http://rockandrollguru.blogspot.com/201 ... s.html?m=1

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

A public persona, whether they're Pearl Jam or Joe Biden, can absolutely negotiate ticket prices, seat availability, and who can attend their event. They're not beholden to market forces, but rather influence them.

- Doc

Bands don't set ticket prices...

http://rockandrollguru.blogspot.com/201 ... s.html?m=1

Bands can make concert arrangement themselves. There's no law that obligates them to use the various middlemen that are taking their cut, or use a venue that would obligate them to use these middle men. Additionally, artists or politicians or other public personas all negotiate with venues. How they do it varies from performer to performer; that's why you don't see one set price for all artists and depending on how hot they are their ticket prices will adjust with the market and demand.

For example, Fugazi used to have concerts and would only charge their fans $5 because they wanted their music and their performances to be accessible to everyone.

- Doc

[_honorentheos]

There's no law, but there is the physics of limited venues with reasonable capacity for a band that will draw a crowd. Then add on top of that the ticket resell problem and it isn't such a simple matter. Pearl Jam's war with Ticketmaster in the 90's wouldn't happen today, and even then it was largely a war that Ticketmaster ultimately won in the end.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

There's no law, but there is the physics of limited venues with reasonable capacity for a band that will draw a crowd. Then add on top of that the ticket resell problem and it isn't such a simple matter. Pearl Jam's war with Ticketmaster in the 90's wouldn't happen today, and even then it was largely a war that Ticketmaster ultimately won in the end.

Well, whatever the case may be I'm fairly certain Michelle Obama could demand a 'poor people's section' and everyone would acquiesce.

- Doc

[_honorentheos]

There's no law, but there is the physics of limited venues with reasonable capacity for a band that will draw a crowd. Then add on top of that the ticket resell problem and it isn't such a simple matter. Pearl Jam's war with Ticketmaster in the 90's wouldn't happen today, and even then it was largely a war that Ticketmaster ultimately won in the end.

Well, whatever the case may be I'm fairly certain Michelle Obama could demand a 'poor people's section' and everyone would acquiesce.

- Doc

No argument there. I have no idea how those sort of things work. Being a big Pearl Jam fan, though, I've heard many times over the years how hard it is for the bands to do right by the fans in an industry that views concerts as it's only cash cow left in the digital media age.

ETA: Read Kittens and Jesus' link and it's very good. Thanks for sharing it!

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

ETA: Read Kittens and Jesus' link and it's very good. Thanks for sharing it!

Believe it or not I read that link prior to taking my position.

* eta: We probably used the same Google search words.

It's a good read, but I disagree that artists (or politicians) can't set reasonable prices for their performances because it's done all the time. Source: Me. I just picked up Fidlar/Dilly Dally tickets for $46 plus a ridiculous $20 in additional fees. So, each ticket is running me $33 to perform at a venue where artists can charge ten times as much depending on their popularity and demand.

So. Let's say Fidlar was like Fugazi, more or less. They'd charge $5 per ticket despite the fees, and my total cost would've been $30, or $15 per ticket. So, the artists can play with the pricing scheme if it's important to them (although I totally get why they'd try to make as much as possible while they're hot).

- Doc