EAllusion wrote:The solidarity fist has a lengthy history of symbolism that extends beyond "the far left" unless you are playing a game where you besmirch things like unions as radical leftist organizations. It shows up in center-left activism all over the map.
The women's March was an extremely broad-based protest in terms of whom attended through-out the US. If you think hundreds of people marching in tiny towns all over the country were all doing it in an act of radical socialist power, you're almost as looney as Ben Carson.
I have no idea. I wasn't there. Who knows if he's downplaying the incident he admitted to? This is very troubling, wouldn't you say? Don't you think he ought to not seek nomination for President?
- Doc
Doc ,perhaps you are serious. I doubt it. Your comments do not appear serious. But then I realize I have no way of knowing if they are or not.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Pence is dead set on getting Kavanaugh into the position. This is happening. I have no idea how these activists think they can swing the vote. I will say that President Trump needs to shut the ____ up or he might lose a few Republicans, especially a couple of the female ones (probably Joni Ernst and Susan Collins if I had to guess). The flipside to this is the Democrats might energize the ever living ____ out of the GOP's base and motivate centrists to vote Republican if they keep this ____ show going much longer, and it's not going to be good for them come November.
If I were on the committee, and I were a Republican, I certainly wouldn't let Ms. Ford go after Kavanaugh so she has time to adjust her approach. She would go first, and then Kavanaugh would offer his point of view. Period.
- Doc
Public opinion has worsened for Kavanaugh Doc. We've gotten one Reublican candidate for Senate with a real chance of winning a Democrat seat who basically reacted to this with comments on the same level as Todd Akin's legitimate rape comments in 2012. That ain't gonna do him any favors.
You might think that on the fence Democrat voters are like you, but all the evidence right now is that this isn't helping Republicans. Since conservatives keep trying out defenses that border on or are straight up rape apologia even though they don't have to do that, my intuition is this likely hurts a little politically for them. Women tend not to like that.
honorentheos wrote:In practical terms, it puts everyone who testifies under oath. It's one thing to make a claim in a letter or to a reporter, it's another matter when to lie becomes a criminal offense itself.
As far as facts, who knows. But again, it's meaningful for the process to have all the parties show up, face the Senate and the public, answer questions put to them under oath, and let there be so-called law and order involved in the process.
That's fine. I can live with that. I don't really see how it's investigative to any practical degree since the allegations can never be proven one way or another. But, hey, if they want to go on record, officially, then cool, whatever.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
EAllusion wrote:You might think that on the fence Democrat voters are like you
Here's another example of EA creating this odd fantasy world where something literally doesn't exist, but he forges ahead anyway, like he's the antagonist in a Kafka novel or something; I'm not sure why he does that.
It's even more bizarre because I've mentioned many times I'm a line voting Democrat, and in particular who I'm voting for this upcoming election cycle.
Weird. Weird that he can't help himself.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
EAllusion wrote:You might think that on the fence Democrat voters are like you
Here's another example of EAllusion creating this odd fantasy world where something literally doesn't exist, but he forges ahead anyway, like he's the antagonist in a Kafka novel or something; I'm not sure why he does that.
It's even more bizarre because I've mentioned many times I'm a line voting Democrat, and in particular who I'm voting for this upcoming election cycle.
Weird. Weird that he can't help himself.
- Doc
"Like you" means having attitudes on public stories that touch on gender issues like you. It does not mean I was saying you were an on the fence Democrat. I'm saying you appear to think on the fence Democrats would think like you think. It's almost like you are reading everything I write in bad faith. Almost.
You surmised that if this story keeps up it might motivate centrists, i.e. on the fence Democrat voters, to vote Republican instead. That's a dubious take given how poorly the story is playing for Republicans at the moment and what a terrible look it is for some of its figures out in front defending it. Kavanaugh currently is the least popular Supreme Court nominee in the history of measuring that and his numbers appear to have gotten worse since this story broke. Again, Heitkamp is in the battle for her life in North Dakota and she was just gifted her opponent deciding to go with the ever popular campaign stance of being a rape apologist. The Senate might hang in the balance on a situation like that. I attributed your questionable intuition to you thinking that those voters have attitudes about this story like you do as part of the genre of "If Democrats want to win, they have to adopt my personal preferences".
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I think this farce will probably motivate more Conservative female voters to get to the poll, though. I don't know. We'll see.
Fox News came out with a poll today showing support for Kavanaugh dropping, particularly among educated suburban female voters. It also shows there is some spillover to the midterm elections: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09 ... ation.html
Currently, 40 percent of voters would confirm Kavanaugh, while 50 percent oppose him, according to a Fox News poll. Last month, views split 45-46 percent (August 19-21).
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Since August, support for Kavanagh’s confirmation dropped 12 points among independents, 11 points among suburban women, and 10 points among voters under age 45. Support is also down, by smaller margins, among men (-5 points), women (-4), Democrats (-5), and Republicans (-4).
What about the upcoming midterm elections? When looking only at counties where the 2016 presidential vote was close (Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump within 10 points), support for Kavanaugh is down 11 points from August: currently, 35 percent would confirm, while 54 percent wouldn’t.
About equal numbers of Democrats (41 percent) and Republicans (43 percent) say it is extremely important to them to back a congressional candidate who shares their opinion on Kavanaugh’s nomination.
More Trump approvers (44 percent) than disapprovers (36 percent) feel it is extremely important to vote for a candidate who shares their view on Kavanaugh. At the same time, more voters disapprove (52 percent) than approve (44 percent) of the president.
Among Trump approvers, 81 percent would confirm Kavanaugh.
A majority, 56 percent, thinks the Senate should delay the confirmation process until hearings can be held on Ford’s claims. That includes 32 percent of Republicans, 50 percent of independents, and 80 percent of Democrats. The Senate Judiciary Committee plans to hear from both Kavanaugh and Ford next week.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
Wait. You're cool with quoting Fox News now? Like. Moving forward if we quote Fox News you won't say or feel that it's partisan or erroneous? I just want to make sure we're all good and that Fox News is a legitimate source now. Yes? Because if that's the case then I need you to not flip flop in the future.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Wait. You're cool with quoting Fox News now? Like. Moving forward if we quote Fox News you won't say or feel that it's partisan or erroneous? I just want to make sure we're all good and that Fox News is a legitimate source now. Yes? Because if that's the case then I need you to not flip flop in the future.
- Doc
They posted a poll. Those are the results of the poll. Other sources reported on it but I tend to go to the original source whenever possible. If you want to make a big to-do about that then knock yourself out.
Following general rules of critical thinking, a poll coming from a conservative source showing support for a conservative justice eroding carries more weight than if it came from a more liberal source. Given the choice between a poll from Fox News and MSNBC on this same issue, I'd be curious to see where they deviated from one another, where they aligned, and see where the outcome runs against the direction of the source's political leanings to judge it. And I'd be more interested in what Fox reported than MSNBC precisely because it would be the sort of thing MSNBC would be all over while Fox would have less of a reason to tote the negative aspects of the public opinion towards Kavanaugh.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
