Kevin Graham wrote:Just reading the crap you keep saying about how incredible it is for her not to remember specific details makes me wonder if you're still in High School.
I personally can think of several remarkable events during my time in High School but couldn't even begin to provide any of the details asked of Ford.
In fact just last year I came in contact with an old ex-girlfriend of mine on Facebook. We had a major falling out right after I had graduated and she was still a senior. We ended up chatting on the phone and spoke for a couple of hours but what struck us the most is how our memories diverged significantly on details while the event in question was never in doubt.
In my memory, we broke up right after her 18th birthday party. She ran away from home to a girlfriend's house named Tracy, and called me begging me to take her back. Which I did, but it only lasted a couple of weeks before she went back to smoking and being stupid with her girlfriends again.
In her memory, we broke up at a completely different party a week before her birthday. She said she went to Kristi's house and that I was the one who came looking for her without a phone call. She also doesn't remember anything about smoking playing a factor in the breakup.
This was 27 years ago and while our memory on the details don't match, we both agreed on the overall gist of what happened. So when you go off on a Reddit rant about how Ford must be lying about everything simply because she cannot tell us the exact time, place or the exact number of people attending a party more than 35 years ago, I have to think you're either a kid who hasn't had to remember something that far back, or you're just being a troll.
This example demonstrates perfectly why an investigation in pointless, why the accusation itself is untrustworthy, and why memories are unreliable. Lol, damned Graham. Lolol. This is twice now he's blown up his own argument.
With supporters like these, who needs enemies?
God damn. Lol. Oh my god this is great.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Kevin Graham wrote:Just reading the crap you keep saying about how incredible it is for her not to remember specific details makes me wonder if you're still in High School.
I personally can think of several remarkable events during my time in High School but couldn't even begin to provide any of the details asked of Ford.
In fact just last year I came in contact with an old ex-girlfriend of mine on Facebook. We had a major falling out right after I had graduated and she was still a senior. We ended up chatting on the phone and spoke for a couple of hours but what struck us the most is how our memories diverged significantly on details while the event in question was never in doubt.
In my memory, we broke up right after her 18th birthday party. She ran away from home to a girlfriend's house named Tracy, and called me begging me to take her back. Which I did, but it only lasted a couple of weeks before she went back to smoking and being stupid with her girlfriends again.
In her memory, we broke up at a completely different party a week before her birthday. She said she went to Kristi's house and that I was the one who came looking for her without a phone call. She also doesn't remember anything about smoking playing a factor in the breakup.
This was 27 years ago and while our memory on the details don't match, we both agreed on the overall gist of what happened. So when you go off on a Reddit rant about how Ford must be lying about everything simply because she cannot tell us the exact time, place or the exact number of people attending a party more than 35 years ago, I have to think you're either a kid who hasn't had to remember something that far back, or you're just being a troll.
So we both remember being alive 36 years ago, but one of us remembers nothing significant happening and the other decided to lie....yeah, you make a great point.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I mean, Feinstein sat on this letter for six weeks. That seems like it could've been enough time for the FBI to investigate it then. Funny how the Leftists aren't making that connection...
- Doc
I'm fairly certain that RI mentioned Feinstein should face repercussions for the way she acted earlier in this thread. I too really disagree with what appears to be her sitting on the letter for longer than needed for maximum impact. I don't think her making a bad choice precludes having an investigation though.
"If you consider what are called the virtues in mankind, you will find their growth is assisted by education and cultivation." -Xenophon of Athens
Gunnar wrote:Unfortunately, this current administration appears to place a higher value on willingness and ability to lie convincingly under oath than on honesty and truthfulness.
Well. This is actually the more interesting question regarding the Kavanaugh nomination. Republican staff member Manuel Miranda found out he could access Democrats’ confidential emails. Think about this for a moment. Emails and files could be accessed by Republican staff members.
HOW THE ____ DID THAT HAPPEN?
If you want an FBI investigation THIS is the angle the Democrats should be taking. And if there was an FBI investigation, why aren't we getting leaked files or whatever for public consumption?
Remember Watergate? This is HUGE, bigger even due to the Republicans advancing judges within the system, and Kavanaugh apparently being a key role player. Wwhen contrasted against Kavanaugh benefiting from that improperly obtained information and now lying about it under oath this ought to be a show stopper.
But it's not salacious enough for the media and the r____ Democratic base. They lack the civic mindfulness to understand just how big this is, how it's a complete and utter Watergatian moment, and instead the choose to roll the dice with teen party shenanigans being the basis for Kavanaugh's dismissal.
Like. WTF? Y'all complain about the GOP being a bunch of sexual perverts, the President being a sexual pervert, and then you think if you put enough pressure on them they'll dismiss an alleged sexual pervert?
Are you guys really this ____ dumb?
Yes. Yes Democrats are this ____ dumb. This is their strategy. smfh
- Doc
Before the attempted rape allegation that you describe as "shenanigans" came up, Democrats were trying their absolute best to drum up focus on this along with Kavanaugh's questionable finances. They already tried your strategy and it wasn't working. At all. Kavanaugh was going to be confirmed when that was the knock against him. You probably should learn to distinguish between what you think matters and what is good political strategy.
Moreover, several posters, including the OP, myself, and probably most of whom you are interacting with have stated that is reason alone to scuttle his nomination. I said it a few times. Maybe you should focus on it instead of gamergate quality talking points regarding an attempted rape allegation.
The reality is Kavanaugh is going to be confirmed unless Republicans become convinced doing so will cause too much harm to midterm election chances. They don't particularly care if allegations are true or not. The Republican President of the US definitely assualted multiple women and there's not even a peep about that from the Republican caucus. People sometimes forget that Congress can investigate that if they want to.
When it comes to other allegations regarding Kavanaugh being deceptive about shady partisan behavior, that wasn't going to impact election chances. It's a big deal, but in Trumplandia, it is a mid-tier scandal that wasn't penetrating.
EAllusion wrote:The reality is Kavanaugh is going to be confirmed unless Republicans become convinced doing so will cause too much harm to midterm election chances.
perhaps, but this unfounded hysteria has galvanized R voters, while mostly just preaching (and providing Facebook memes ) to the choir on the suburban white stay-at-home feminist.
EAllusion wrote: They don't particularly care if allegations are true or not.
Well, aren't you a bigot. But Keith Ellison agrees with you.
EAllusion wrote: The Republican President of the US definitely assualted multiple women and there's not even a peep about that from the Republican caucus. People sometimes forget that Congress can investigate that if they want to.
And they can investigate even when they don't want to ....but both options usually requires actual evidence....but I appreciate how you are maintaining the Democrat party line of allegation of assault = "definitely assaulted".
EAllusion wrote:When it comes to other allegations regarding Kavanaugh being deceptive about shady partisan behavior, that wasn't going to impact election chances. It's a big deal, but in Trumplandia, it is a mid-tier scandal that wasn't penetrating.
"wasn't penetrating"
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Xenophon wrote:I'm fairly certain that RI mentioned Feinstein should face repercussions for the way she acted earlier in this thread. I too really disagree with what appears to be her sitting on the letter for longer than needed for maximum impact. I don't think her making a bad choice precludes having an investigation though.
You think her respecting the wish of the victim to remain anonymous was a mistake?
by the way, let's assume for a second that none of the accusations are true, and everything the Democrats are doing is political gamesmanship. I say, it's about damned time. The GOP has been playing the BS game for years now. It's about time the Democrats suited up. Mitch McConnell can suck a bag of dicks for his role in damned with the traditional rules of the Court confirmation process. The more they whine about what's happening, the happier I get.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
Kavanaugh on Fox News wrote:I want a fair process where I can defend my integrity, and I know I'm telling the truth," the judge said. "I know my lifelong record and I'm not going to let false accusations drive me out of this process. I have faith in God and I have faith in the fairness of the American people."
The moment someone like this invokes their god is the same moment I can't help thinking they're lying through their teeth. People who tell the truth don't need to invoke supernatural folk heroes to help their credibility.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
Some Schmo wrote:You think her respecting the wish of the victim to remain anonymous was a mistake?
by the way, let's assume for a second that none of the accusations are true, and everything the Democrats are doing is political gamesmanship. I say, it's about damned time. The GOP has been playing the BS game for years now. It's about time the Democrats suited up. Mitch McConnell can suck a bag of dicks for his role in damned with the traditional rules of the Court confirmation process. The more they whine about what's happening, the happier I get.
I'd place money on Feinstein's motives not being entirely altruistic but maybe I'm wrong about that. At some point, as a member of the judiciary committee, she has an obligation to report these things she knows and that should have been made very clear to Ford (I have no indication that it was or wasn't, apart from how it all played out).
To your second point, I'm all for Democrats playing more hardball than they have in the past but I don't consider outright lying to be "hardball", just unethical. I'm not super excited for a party that behaves exactly like the GOP but at least acknowledges global warming and believes in abortion rights.
"If you consider what are called the virtues in mankind, you will find their growth is assisted by education and cultivation." -Xenophon of Athens
Xenophon wrote:To your second point, I'm all for Democrats playing more hardball than they have in the past but I don't consider outright lying to be "hardball", just unethical. I'm not super excited for a party that behaves exactly like the GOP but at least acknowledges global warming and believes in abortion rights.
I hear you. It's just that a certain game has been underway in Washington for quite some time, and if the Democrats don't play by those rules, we're stuck with assholes who hardly even pretend to care about the American people.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
"wasn't penetrating"