Dennis Prager, moral paragon

[_ajax18]

One hopes your daughter doesn't face a crime like this only to be told by Dad, "You've got no case. Probably didn't happen."

I hope my daughter wouldn't be getting drunk with teenage boys at 15. If anyone were to sexually assault my daughter and I found out about it, criminal charges would be the least of his concerns.

[_ajax18]

They often get away with it. Men who are falsely accused don't get away with it. They wear that scarlet R for life. That needs to change.

We live in a complicated world. Things are not black or white. Some women are victims of a false memory, do you believe women should go to jail for having a false memory? Others simply forget they consented. Do you think women should go to jail for forgetting?

Just watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGMi0UtvTIc

Should a man go to jail because a woman develops a false memory?

[Guest]

We live in a complicated world. Things are not black or white. Some women are victims of a false memory, do you believe women should go to jail for having a false memory? Others simply forget they consented. Do you think women should go to jail for forgetting?

Just watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGMi0UtvTIc

No, that is why prosecutors need to prove their case beyond all reasonable doubt.

[_Some Schmo]

If anyone were to sexually assault my daughter and I found out about it, criminal charges would be the least of his concerns.

Well if you feel this way, how come it's such a mystery to you that women don't report it?

[_DoubtingThomas]

I hope my daughter wouldn't be getting drunk with teenage boys at 15. If anyone were to sexually assault my daughter and I found out about it, criminal charges would be the least of his concerns.

But the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ taught "love your enemies". You don't want to go to Hell do you? Now don't make Heavenly Father mad. Heavenly Father teaches that your daughter would have to marry him Deuteronomy 22:28–29.

[_ajax18]

Sexual assault cases can often come down to he said/she said. If the charge must be proved by "beyond reasonable doubt," then we should expect a significant percentage in cases where the result is "not guilty" simply due to failure to meet the burden of proof. The effect is to let rapists go free. If we tack on a punishment for the accuser simply because the case doesn't meet the burden of proof in a criminal case, we would expect more women who actually have been raped to stay silent rather than take on the risk of being punished. That means more rapists go free. In general, if we do anything that discourages girls or women with legitimate claims from reporting them, the effect will be to let more rapists go free.

There still needs to be something done to discourage women from using rape allegations as a weapon against political opponents or to otherwise get vengeance. There also needs to be something done to stop people like Al Sharpton the Duke 88 faculty, and Democratic politicians/district attorneys from stirring up racial and gender animus as they did with Crystal Mangum in the Duke rape case. Had these young men not had $2 million to pay attorneys they would probably be in jail now. You gotta think more than a few are victims of false accusations. If you can't punish a false witness, how can you rely on their testimony?

[_DoubtingThomas]

There still needs to be something done to discourage women from using rape allegations as a weapon against political opponents or to otherwise get vengeance. There also needs to be something done to stop people like Al Sharpton the Duke 88 faculty, and Democratic politicians/district attorneys from stirring up racial and gender animus as they did with Crystal Mangum in the Duke rape case. Had these young men not had $2 million to pay attorneys they would probably be in jail now. You gotta think more than a few are victims of false accusations. If you can't punish a false witness, how can you rely on their testimony?

But all serious accusations need to be investigated. Kavanaugh shouldn't get a free pass. And I won't lie, I do believe the two female scientists.

[_DoubtingThomas]

The effect is to let rapists go free. If we tack on a punishment for the accuser simply because the case doesn't meet the burden of proof in a criminal case

I wonder if many in the courts have that mentality. No wonder why the US has the highest prison population in the world. Only science can save us from this mess.

https://youtu.be/9sxkje83SQI?t=4m23s

[_cinepro]

As it stands now, I don't think there's good evidence he did, so I still support him.

Because three independent women's testimony doesn't constitute good evidence for you? Plus many others coming out to say he's lying about drinking? How many women would it take?

It's fair to say there's no proof he did it, but there's plenty of good evidence.

I don't find the three witnesses' stories particularly believable.

I do believe something happened to Ford, but I'm not confident in her ID of Kavanaugh as the attempted rapist. We all know (or should know) the problems with memory of such things, especially from stressful situations over long periods of time. So like I said, I agree that it's possible, but I'm not confident enough to "convict" him of it.

Same for the second accuser (about Kavanaugh exposing himself at a party). Possible, but I'm not confident in the ID. It doesn't sound it was done particularly discreetly, so more people corroborating it would definitely give me more confidence that it happened.

I don't find Swetnick believable at all.

I understand we all have our own standard of evidence for judging these claims, so I don't begrudge those who are quicker to believe the accusers (for whatever reason). I'm a little disappointed in people that feign 100% surety and don't acknowledge some room for error, but in today's political and social climate, it's not a huge surprise.

[_Themis]

I do believe something happened to Ford, but I'm not confident in her ID of Kavanaugh as the attempted rapist. We all know (or should know) the problems with memory of such things, especially from stressful situations over long periods of time. So like I said, I agree that it's possible, but I'm not confident enough to "convict" him of it.

It depends. If this event happened in some way we would expect some details like where it took place could more easily be forgotten or mis-remebered. If she knew this person before the event then it is less likely she will misidentify or later think it was someone else who did it. Our minds are good at remembering some details better then other details because our mind are finite and have to prioritize what to remember.