Kavanaugh and Perjury

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Brackite wrote:
From my vantage point all this has awoken a sleeping giant. Similar to 2016, there is now a new energy to vote. That energy didn't exist a week ago. People are livid. I see many people who were #NeverTrump are now firmly in the red. I'm seeing very blue democrats even say they are voting Republican. Because they have sons and husbands and fathers, and they aren't going to stand for this.


I will not be. I am a former Republican now Independent who will be voting Democrat for Congress and Democrat Kyrsten Sinema for Senate. She is slightly up in the polls in Arizona here. I am completely against Trump's harmful tariffs, and I don't want to see deep cuts to Medicaid and Social Security.

I suspect that if WD knows any ‘very blue Democrats’, that they’re telling him they're voting Republican just to yank his chain.
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What if Kavanaugh had from the start acknowledged the reality of Doctor Ford's allegation, and had remorsefully pleaded for forgiveness from her for a shameful indiscretion when young and foolish, and too inebriated to notice that she was not a fully consenting party to what he and Judge were trying to do with her. How would that have affected your opinion of him and his suitability for the Supreme court? Would or should the Senate give him the benefit of the doubt and give him a chance to prove his honorability and fairness as a Justice?

That is obviously not going to happen at this point, of course. I think my point in my OP still stands, that regardless of the truth or falsity of her accusation, Kavanaugh has been caught lying several times in court before the Senate. This is so well substantiated that there really should be no controversy about it. Unfortunately, the GOP under Trump don't give a whit about the fact that he lied, as long as he can be counted on to support their agenda and help hold Trump immune from impeachment or removal from office. I am more than ever strongly inclined to believe that Trump (especially) wants Kavanaugh precisely because Trump knows he is corrupt and dishonest--not despite that fact.
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Yet Another Former Classmate Of Brett Kavanaugh Says He Drank More Than He Lets On

Chad Ludington, who went to Yale with Kavanaugh, told the New York Times he often saw Kavanaugh “staggering from alcohol consumption.”

North Carolina State University professor Chad Ludington has joined a handful of other former classmates of Brett Kavanaugh in contradicting the Supreme Court nominee’s claims about his past drinking habits.

Ludington told the New York Times in a statement Sunday that Kavanaugh played down “the degree and frequency” of his drinking to the Senate Judiciary Committee last week. He said he often saw Kavanaugh “staggering from alcohol consumption.”

Kavanaugh, who has been accused of sexual misconduct by three different women, denied in his testimony that there was any possibility he ever drank so much alcohol that he may have lapses in his memory.

Ludington called Kavanaugh’s answers about drinking a “blatant mischaracterization” based on his experiences around the judge when they attended Yale University together. Ludington claimed he often saw Kavanaugh “belligerent and aggressive” while drunk.

“It is truth that is at stake, and I believe that the ability to speak the truth, even when it does not reflect well upon oneself, is a paramount quality we seek in our nation’s most powerful judges,” Ludington said in a statement to the Times.

And Ludington’s not the only one countering parts of Kavanaugh’s testimony.

Former Yale classmates Liz Swisher, James Roche, and Lynne Brookes have also made public statements about Kavanaugh’s excessive drinking during their youth. Swisher told CNN’s Chris Cuomo on Friday that though she never saw Kavanaugh be sexually aggressive, the judge was a “sloppy drunk.”

“There’s no problem in drinking beer in college, the problem is lying about it,” Swisher told CNN. “He drank heavily, he was a partier, he liked to do beer bongs, he played drinking games, he was sloppy drunk.”

Dr. Christine Blasey Ford, who goes by Christine Blasey professionally, claims Kavanaugh forced himself on her at a high school party more than 35 years ago. Blasey testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday that she was certain Kavanaugh was the one to pin her down, force himself on her, attempt to take off her clothes and then hold a hand over her mouth when she tried to scream when they were teenagers.

Deborah Ramirez alleges Kavanaugh took off his pants and thrust his penis at her face at Yale party during their freshman year. Julie Swetnick wrote in a sworn declaration that Kavanaugh was present at high school parties where boys engaged in raping girls. Swetnick claims she saw Kavanaugh drink excessively at these parties, “press girls against him without their consent” and attempt to remove or shift their clothing.

Kavanaugh has vehemently denied all allegations against him.

Roche, a roommate of Kavanaugh’s during freshman year, told the New Yorker he found Ramirez’s claims to be credible. Roche added that he saw Kavanaugh “frequently, incoherently drunk.” Another unnamed classmate told the New Yorker Kavanaugh could be “aggressive and even belligerent” when he drank.

Brookes, who also attended Yale, told CNN Thursday that Kavanaugh was “lying” to the Senate Judiciary Committee about his drinking.

“There is no doubt in my mind that while at Yale, he was a big partier, often drank to excess and there had to be a number of nights where he does not remember,” Brookes told CNN.

The Senate Judiciary Committee voted 11-10 on Friday to recommend Kavanugh’s Supreme Court nomination advance to a full Senate hearing. Shortly after, the White House agreed to request the FBI to dig into the accusations against Kavanaugh.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) asked that the FBI investigate Kavanaugh’s old drinking habits, as well as several other statements by the Judge Sander’s believes may have been lies. Lying to Congress under oath is a federal crime.

Ludington told the Times he wants to take his “information to the FBI.”
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This is interesting (note: I haven't attempted to google-fact-check this):

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ittee.html

Man who tweeted that his friend had been raped by Kavanaugh on a boat in 1985 but later said he 'made a mistake' could face criminal charges for diverting investigation into the Supreme Court nominee

A man in Rhode Island was referred for criminal charges Saturday after saying Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted a woman on a boat in 1985


Apparently 'Jeffrey Catalan' wasn't fond of President Trump and used his Twitter account to complain about him.

Crazy times.

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Water Dog wrote:They don't want their husband to be fired and have his career permanently destroyed because of fake allegations with zero evidence.

Oh look. Another whiner with something to hide.

Zero evidence... LOL

I'm starting to get the feeling the GOP lemmings don't really appreciate how stupid they sound.
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Gunnar wrote:What if Kavanaugh had from the start acknowledged the reality of Doctor Ford's allegation, and had remorsefully pleaded for an apology from her for a shameful indiscretion when young and foolish, and too inebriated to notice that she was not a fully consenting party to what he and Judge were trying to do with her. How would that have affected your opinion of him and his suitability for the Supreme court? Would or should the Senate give him the benefit of the doubt and give him a chance to prove his honorability and fairness as a Justice?

That is obviously not going to happen at this point, of course. I think my point in my OP still stands, that regardless of the truth or falsity of her accusation, Kavanaugh has been caught lying several times in court before the Senate. This is so well substantiated that there really should be no controversy about it. Unfortunately, the GOP under Trump don't give a whit about the fact that he lied, as long as he can be counted on to support their agenda and help hold Trump immune from impeachment or removal from office. I am more than ever strongly inclined to believe that Trump (especially) wants Kavanaugh precisely because Trump knows he is corrupt and dishonest--not despite that fact.

You guys just keep throwing anything in hopes that it will stick.
1st - Kavanaugh is a threat to voting rights and maybe that 1999 "maybe Watergate decision was wrong" speculation.
2nd - Trump's lawyer just copped a plea and Trump may be implicated in something/anything - delay Kavanaugh confirmation.
3rd - Then the 910,000 pages of Kavanugh documents need to be thoroughly reviewed, like the email where he writes that he is fan of the Spanish tapas hot spot Jaleo.
4th - I am Spartacus!
5th - Trump! (just because it is a go to hair-fire)
6th - The after 65 meetings with senators - including with Senator Feinstein - over 30 hours of testimony, over 2,000 questions in a public setting and additional questions in a confidential session - Feinstein releases (in cryptic suspense building fashion) the allegation from Ford.
7th - hair-fires ablazing as "i was afraid he would rape me" morphed into "gang rapes were common at these frequent binge-drinking blackout parties that were most likely held before/after Klan rallys but never on the same day as counting daddy's money".
8th - FBI, FBI, FBI!
9th - White men.
10th - Privileged white men.
11th - Poor women, so fragile.
12th - Ford who? He is a baby.
13th - Doesn't matter if the allegations are false and the accusers are being exposed as liars and grifters - Matt Damon was on SNL!
14th - FBI! ...oh, we get FBI?....oh, we mean to say "FBI until we can somehow control the Senate, FBI until we can somehow control the Senate!"
15th - Doesn't matter about FBI, because Trump....Trump....Trump.
16th - (after all assaults have been repelled) Whatever - prepare to Impeach! prepare to Impeach!


meanwhile running-for-election-Democrats that have openly opposed Kavanaugh are losing their edge in polls.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Zero evidence... LOL

put up or shut up.
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Kevin Graham wrote:Republicans:

We should believe Dr. Ford was sexually assaulted but we shouldn't believe she remembers who did it.

The various ways GOP pols have made this argument is definitive proof of one of two things:

- The GOP considers it's base damned stupid
- The GOP politicians are damned stupid

They want to pay lip service to Ford and her allegations so as to not piss off female voters, but they want you also to believe the Democrats put her up to being sexually harassed in 1982 in a long game plan to screw with their Supreme Court pick.

The fact that there are people who actually think Ford is a part of a Democrat party plot goes to show Repub pols are right; the GOP base is damned stupid as hell.
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Rachel Mitchell's analysis. Link below.

Rachel Mitchell wrote:A “he said, she said” case is incredibly difficult to prove. But this case is even weaker than that. Dr. Ford identified other witnesses to the event, and those witnesses either refuted her allegations or failed to corroborate them. For the reasons discussed below, I do not think that a reasonable prosecutor would bring this case based on the evidence before the Committee. Nor do I believe that this evidence is sufficient to satisfy the preponderance-of-the-evidence standard.


https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... alysis.pdf
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