Kavanaugh and Perjury
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Oh BS, WD. If you have to rewrite history like that, you're predictions aren't worth spit. Collins was never a no vote on K. Same with M and C. They may talk "purple" every once in a while, but they are reliable R votes when it matters. Likewise, there is every reason to believe that Manchin would have also voted yes because his vote would not have affected the outcome.
You also simply ignore that there were issues at play in the Gorsuch nomination that led Ds to vote as a block.
The odds that the FBI will find "anything" are very low because the current investigation is a sham. Trump portrayed the FBI as having full discretion, while in fact the scope was severely restricted by the White House and the R's on the committee. You keep trying to confuse the fact that the FBI would not likely go the last step to making ultimate conclusions with the likelihood that the FBI would uncover evidence either contradicting or corroborating the stories told by J and K. Given the apparent fact that K went overboard with his "choir boy" defense, I think you, along with McConnell and Graham, realize that the odds were almost certain that interviewing K's classmates was going to make him look like a stone cold liar. Thus the desperation to hobble the FBI and place narrow limits on the investigation.
K may very well be confirmed. I have no doubt that the political party that was able to rationalize leaving Scalia's seat open for months and months will be able to rationalize their vote for a man who has outed himself as a partisan hack and who lied to their faces multiple times under oath. But that doesn't make your quarter-assed "analysis" correct. The smart money has always been on K being confirmed.
You also simply ignore that there were issues at play in the Gorsuch nomination that led Ds to vote as a block.
The odds that the FBI will find "anything" are very low because the current investigation is a sham. Trump portrayed the FBI as having full discretion, while in fact the scope was severely restricted by the White House and the R's on the committee. You keep trying to confuse the fact that the FBI would not likely go the last step to making ultimate conclusions with the likelihood that the FBI would uncover evidence either contradicting or corroborating the stories told by J and K. Given the apparent fact that K went overboard with his "choir boy" defense, I think you, along with McConnell and Graham, realize that the odds were almost certain that interviewing K's classmates was going to make him look like a stone cold liar. Thus the desperation to hobble the FBI and place narrow limits on the investigation.
K may very well be confirmed. I have no doubt that the political party that was able to rationalize leaving Scalia's seat open for months and months will be able to rationalize their vote for a man who has outed himself as a partisan hack and who lied to their faces multiple times under oath. But that doesn't make your quarter-assed "analysis" correct. The smart money has always been on K being confirmed.
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Kevin Graham wrote:Seems like a moment of sanity strikes in the Right Wing propaganda mill, on the very issue waterdog says should be covered nationwide in all the legitimate news outlets.
Conservatives should be cautious about letter from Christine Blasey Ford's ex-boyfriend
Meanwhile, the woman vehemently denies what this mysterious exbo said.
“I have NEVER had Christine Blasey Ford, or anybody else, prepare me, or provide any other type of assistance whatsoever in connection with any polygraph exam I have taken at any time,” Monica McLean said in her response.
Keep pounding that horse though. Anything to take attention off the elephants in the room.
I look forward to hearing WD's exes telling us their opinions of him and taking them at face value.

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Water Dog wrote:I predict Kavanaugh is confirmed. And with Democratic support. Gorsuch didn't get a single D vote. Kavanaugh, he will. If my hypothesis holds true, I'd say that's strong supporting evidence.
I hope you will be proven wrong. Any Senators, Democrat or Republican, who vote to confirm someone who has Kavanaugh's demonstrated record of lying under oath before the Senate are themselves dishonorable and corrupt, and deserve to be run out of office! And I am not just talking about his testimony during the current confirmation hearings. I don't think one can make a reasonable and honest case for confirming him as Justice, no matter what is true or not true about the sexuall allegations against him.
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Gunnar wrote:I don't think one can make a reasonable and honest case for confirming him as Justice, no matter what is true or not true about the sexual allegations against him.
This is the bottom line and why it is painfully clear that Republicans are blatant lying hypocrites who have no concern whatsoever for good faith or good governing.
They could not telegraph it any louder. They don't care.
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If Kavanaugh isn't confirmed, it's going to be because Republican polling analytics says it will hurt them in the midterms.
The public data, aside from the huge donation spike to Democrats, doesn't seem to be all that bad for Republicans, so I would bet on confirmation. Murkowski might be a single no.
The public data, aside from the huge donation spike to Democrats, doesn't seem to be all that bad for Republicans, so I would bet on confirmation. Murkowski might be a single no.
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I predict Kavanaugh is confirmed. And with Democratic support. Gorsuch didn't get a single D vote. Kavanaugh, he will. If my hypothesis holds true, I'd say that's strong supporting evidence.
The statement "Gorsuch didn't get a single D vote" is incorrect. Democratic Senators Donnelly, Manchin and Heitkamp all voted to confirm Gorsuch to the Supreme Court. Link
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Brackite wrote:The statement "Gorsuch didn't get a single D vote" is incorrect. Democratic Senators Donnelly, Manchin and Heitkamp all voted to confirm Gorsuch to the Supreme Court. Link
You are correct and I stand corrected. I'm not sure why I thought it was a straight party vote, but you're right. Be interesting to see who, if any, votes different. I still maintain that certain people were more likely to vote against Kavanaugh than they were with Gorsuch. Just my opinion. Gorsuch was begrudgingly accepted as a Scalia replacement. It wasn't upsetting the balance in any way. Kavanaugh is perceived as tilting the scales and people are freaking about Roe. It's a different conversation. If GOP keeps the Senate and then Ruth Bader Ginsburg dies before 2021, boy, that will be interesting to watch, wont it? ROFL. And if Trump wins in 2020, game over. No way she lasts to 2025.
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Water Dog wrote:You are correct and I stand corrected. I'm not sure why I thought it was a straight party vote, but you're right. Be interesting to see who, if any, votes different. I still maintain that certain people were more likely to vote against Kavanaugh than they were with Gorsuch. Just my opinion. Gorsuch was begrudgingly accepted as a Scalia replacement. It wasn't upsetting the balance in any way. Kavanaugh is perceived as tilting the scales and people are freaking about Roe. It's a different conversation. If GOP keeps the Senate and then Ruth Bader Ginsburg dies before 2021, boy, that will be interesting to watch, wont it? ROFL. And if Trump wins in 2020, game over. No way she lasts to 2025.
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Re: Kavanaugh and Perjury
DoubtingThomas wrote:temporal tax cuts


Oh TEMPORARY tax cuts!
You had me worried there - what with this being a Mormon board, I thought maybe you were drawing a distinction with spiritual tax cuts.
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Chap wrote:DoubtingThomas wrote:temporal tax cuts
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Oh TEMPORARY tax cuts!
You had me worried there - what with this being a Mormon board, I thought maybe you were drawing a distinction with spiritual tax cuts.
LOL Right! It seems I still have too much Mormonism and plan of salvation in my head. My bad!
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