Kavanaugh and Perjury

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_Kevin Graham
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Res Ipsa wrote:Links, Water Dog?


Water dog is human garbage same as Sara Gonzales and he doesn't back up his claims with substance. He posts the Twitter feed from a Right Wing hack at Glenn Beck's "The Blaze", as if her being a woman makes her an authority or something. The only horse crap here is her claim to have ever believed Ford to begin with.

Water dog and people like him are why America is becoming a truly divisive cesspool of morons. Truth and facts don't matter so long as the other side has an army of bloggers and apologists using conspiracy theory and innuendo to detract from what we actually know.

Ramirez and Ford both produced dozens of friends to help corroborate their testimonies and the FBI refused to look into them because they were never interested in getting to the truth. This was a sham from day one.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:This woman posted another woman's professional findings on Dr. Ford's testimony:

https://Twitter.com/seungminkim/status/ ... 98560?s=19

It's worth the read for situational awareness.

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Mitchell is a Republican hack who was only there to shield the old white men from appearing insenstive to sexual abuse.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:This woman posted another woman's professional findings on Dr. Ford's testimony:

https://Twitter.com/seungminkim/status/ ... 98560?s=19

It's worth the read for situational awareness.

- Doc
I didn't know GOP operatives or journalists reporting claims made by them could be women. Thank you for informing us of this heretofore unknown fact. What other career choices can ladies have these days?

That was already posted by Water Dog and discussed. There's a lot of professional commentary on it ranging from, "woefully inadequate to professionally irresponsible" that probably is worth your read since you didn't link any of it. Former employees Mitchell say this contradicts what she trained them to think, but maybe she had a sudden change of mind for an unknown reason. Why don't you help forward the discussion by explaining or defending her arguments? For example, the memory gaps she cites as disconfirmatory of Ford's account are consistent with sexual trauma. These are to be expected, though, and Mitchell herself is on record in other formats of saying these should be treated as confirmatory of allegations of assault. Can you help explain why those particular memory gaps should be seen as disconfirmatory given that they are entirely expected if the allegation is true?
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EAllusion wrote:Can you help explain why those particular memory gaps should be seen as disconfirmatory given that they are entirely expected if the allegation is true?


Because when you're gunning for a potential Supreme Court judge you better have your crap together? The more coherent, consistent, and corroborated an allegation is the more effective it becomes as a political weapon. You come with weak sauce you're going to get Dikembe Mutombo'd.

- Doc
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
EAllusion wrote:Can you help explain why those particular memory gaps should be seen as disconfirmatory given that they are entirely expected if the allegation is true?

Because when you're gunning for a potential Supreme Court judge you better have your crap together?

Dude... this is your test for the truth of things?

Ah, “F” it. It's useless.
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Kevin Graham wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:Links, Water Dog?


Water dog is human garbage same as Sara Gonzales and he doesn't back up his claims with substance. He posts the Twitter feed from a Right Wing hack at Glenn Beck's "The Blaze", as if her being a woman makes her an authority or something. The only ____ here is her claim to have ever believed Ford to begin with.

Water dog and people like him are why America is becoming a truly divisive cesspool of morons. Truth and facts don't matter so long as the other side has an army of bloggers and apologists using conspiracy theory and innuendo to detract from what we actually know.

Ramirez and Ford both produced dozens of friends to help corroborate their testimonies and the FBI refused to look into them because they were never interested in getting to the truth. This was a sham from day one.


I could not disagree more with your “human garbage” comment. I disagree strongly with much of what WD posts, but I think dehumanizing him in that fashion simply perpetuates what appears to be tearing our country apart.

I don’t know this Sarah Gonzalez, so I’m in no position to judge. But dehumanizing her as human garbage is both wrong and counter productive.

I agree that this investigation was a “sham.” I feel bad for the FBI agents who seem to have busted their assets to get this done, knowing that the exercise was not intended to get at the truth.
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EAllusion wrote:What other career choices can ladies have these days?


Well. I know of a few industries where they're woefully underrepresented:

- Garbage collection

- Waste processing

- Roofing

- Plumbing

- Welding

- Landscaping

- Road construction

- Infantry

- Pest control

- Lumberjack'ing

- NBA small forward

What other industries do you think women are allowed to work in, EA? You seem to think they're barred from joining the work force with your bizarre question?

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Because when you're gunning for a potential Supreme Court judge you better have your crap together?

Dude... this is your test for the truth of things?

Ah, “F” it. It's useless.


It's on topic, bro. Stay focused, yo.

- Doc
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
EAllusion wrote:Can you help explain why those particular memory gaps should be seen as disconfirmatory given that they are entirely expected if the allegation is true?


Because when you're gunning for a potential Supreme Court judge you better have your ____ together? The more coherent, consistent, and corroborated an allegation is the more effective it becomes as a political weapon. You come with weak sauce you're going to get Dikembe Mutombo'd.

- Doc


Having the kind of gaps Ford claims to have are expected if what she is saying are true. If you are simply looking at whether what she is saying is true or not, like the memo you linked purports to do, then their existence does not make her allegations more suspect. If anything, it's confirmatory. I view that as a very weak form of confirmation and wouldn't put much stock in it, especially when it is coming from a psychology professor with some expertise in memory, but the author of the memo of all people has trained her underlings to view such gaps as confirmatory of allegations of assault. So why is she now arguing the opposite? And why should we agree with her?

It's like saying a a person who called in to work because they just found out their spouse died is probably lying because they sounded emotionally shell-shocked instead of weepy. Uh, "sounding emotionally shell-shocked" is entirely consistent with their claim, so it can't be used as evidence against it.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Because when you're gunning for a potential Supreme Court judge you better have your crap together?

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Some Schmo wrote:Dude... this is your test for the truth of things?

It's on topic, bro.

Being illogical doesn't preclude being on topic.
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