Kavanaugh and Perjury

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Re: Kavanaugh and Perjury

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Res Ipsa wrote:LOL. When a Democrat selectively releases information it’s a leak. When an R does it, it’s just setting the record straight. Got it.

Yeah, you “misspoke.” You breathlessly reported two things about the FBI investigative report that were flat ass wrong. And, not coincidentally, you misspoke in favor of your stated position. And it’s not the first time. You rush in here like a big ole puppy tripping over his big ole paws, yapping about the latest bone you’ve dug up on Fox or Breitbart or wherever. And when someone shows you that it’s a turd and not a bone, you don’t even pause. You just run back to WND or wherever and reappear with a new “bone.”

What’s on our plate isn’t a criminal investigation. It’s whether to give K a lifetime appointnent on the nation’s highest court. There is no reason on earth why the FBI couldn’t have interviewed the two parties, then followed up with interviewing potential corroborating witnesses. But I think they couldn’t for the same reason Graham threw his phony hissy fit— The Relief Society know that K lied to the committee under oath, but they won’t let a little thing like that rob them of a win.

Sometimes, for a moment, I forget where I am and think I'm talking to someone reasonable. Thanks for reminding me. Your description is a gross mischaracterization. Actually, I think I got my information from NPR. Though I could be wrong about that as I was riding with someone else. I didn't get anything of consequence wrong. Let's walk through it.

Thousand page report? Check

Interviewed Mark Judge for 3 hours? Check

Thoroughly interviewed numerous additional witnesses? Check

Thoroughly investigated allegations of both Ford and Ramirez? Check

What am I missing here?

I cited that some second-hand witness professor lead had been followed back to the first-hand source which turned out to be a dead end. That was totally true. Except it was misreported, or I misheard, and it was the New Yorker that ran that down.

In terms of the facts and the reporting, what did I get wrong? Nothing that I can tell. Allegations have been thoroughly investigated and found to be utter BS.

You guys have this schtick where you like to come at me with these ad hominems about "fox news" or "breitbart." Which is, one, false, and two, fallacious reasoning even if true. Humorously, if I had been citing Breitbart I wouldn't have gotten a word of it wrong. Their reporting on this has been thorough and impeccable. Unlike, say, CNN. What was their response to the news of the sworn statement submitted to the senate committee from Ford's ex boyfriend? Well, they ignored it for almost 24 hours, and then when they finally reported on it, it was a vicious propaganda apologetic piece that left out virtually every relevant detail while attempting to cast aspersions in his direction, oh, and they doxxed him. That's right, CNN plastered his name everywhere, activating liberal sleeper cells in his area to go harass him.

As for this leaking business. Give me a break. When the senate committee makes a concerted decision to release information and then does so through the proper channels, like publishing a document on the senate committee website, that's not called a leak. Name a single leak from Republicans. This is a disingenuous comparison to suggest normal business is nefarious. Democrats concealed information from Republicans. Democrats took private information and leaked it to media. And not just Ford's letter to Feinstein, but leaks from private interviews with Kavanaugh, the existence of other allegations that hadn't been made public, etc. What information did Republicans hide from Democrats on the committee? What private information did Republicans send to the media?
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The whole story is coming apart, boy and girls.

Starting out, Grassley put out a summary of the FBI report last night. People were screeching for that information to be released, so, he released it.

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/ ... ve-summary

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And then there's this.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/friend-of- ... 1538715152

Ms. Keyser’s lawyer on Sept. 23 said in a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee that she had no recollection of attending a party with Judge Kavanaugh, whom she said she didn’t know. That same day, however, she told the Washington Post that she believed Dr. Ford. On Sept. 29, two days after Dr. Ford and the judge testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Ms. Keyser’s attorney sent a letter to the panel saying his client wasn’t refuting Dr. Ford’s account and that she believed it but couldn’t corroborate it.

A person close to the former classmates said it was her understanding that mutual friends of Dr. Ford and Ms. Keyser, including Ms. McLean, had contacted Ms. Keyser after her initial statement to warn her that her statement was being used by Republicans to rebut the allegation against Judge Kavanaugh. The friends told Ms. Keyser that if she had intended to say she didn’t remember the party—not that it had never happened—that she should clarify her statement, the person said, adding that the friends hadn’t “pressured” Ms. Keyser.


Holy. damned. crap. That's right boys and girls, Ford, through her FBI agent bestie friend, tried to tamper with a witness and pressure her into lying.

Who is this McLean, anyway? Oh, well she just happens to be the friend named by Ford's ex boyfriend in his sworn statement to the senate committee. The one who Ford was offering polygraph advise to back in the 90s. Turns out that woman went on to work for the FBI and DOJ. Nobody knew anything about this lady until named by the ex boyfriend. Since then some other interesting breadcrumbs have been uncovered.

Like this.

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Why, look at that. If it isn't Ms. McLean, at the hearing with Ford.

And then other things, like this.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... construct/

In Ford's testimony, if you watched the hearing, you might remember her talking about "beach friends," and that they were the ones who talked her into going public. Ford also referenced being in "Rehoboth" when she wrote the letter to Feinstein, as a way of recalling when it happened. Said she authored the letter in Rehoboth. Which is Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. Ford has no home there, but what do you know, McLean does. McLean is the "beach friend."

So you have a career FBI agent/lawyer, who worked in Preet Bharara's office, who helped craft Ford's letter to Feinstein and has been with her every step of the way in all this architecting their moves. Including trying to suborn perjury from a witness.

And in that context, Grassley also dropped this letter last night. Here is the relevant part at the end.

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Full link.

https://bit.ly/2pxMiaW
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Commenting on this a bit more. Jig is up. I'm curious to hear what Doc thinks. Assuming you listened to all of Ford's testimony. Would you agree she put on kind of a "dumb blonde" act? It was either an act or it was real, but my point is that she presented herself as being a kind of clueless house mouse that needed to have her hand held.

She didn't know anything. She made herself seem ignorant about everything. Doesn't know how to contact Feinstein's office, because the internet is just so confusing. Even though she had already contacted her congressman successfully.

Doesn't understand how to deal with lawyers, it's this new mystical world and she's sitting in the parking lot like a helpless woman interviewing lawyers that she finds in the yellow pages.

The polygraph, gee golly, you mean someone had to pay for that? Uhhhh, I just don't know, I don't know who paid for it. Don't know or understand how such things work, it's so confusing, please, someone help me. And the polygraph was so awful, it was long and stressful and they're poking and prodding me hooking me up to machines and stuff. Did they record the polygraph? I don't know, it was so traumatic, I cannot remember!

Did anybody help you write your letter to Feinstein, or in any way craft your story? No she said. Why did you change critical details at several times throughout this process? Details, which, incidentally were precisely the details that made it even more difficult to corroborate the story. Or, put another way, prevent the story from being refuted.

And then it turned out that this whole time she's being, at a minimum, advised by her FBI agent/lawyer bestie? The whole act she put on was just that, an act. She couldn't have been ignorant about any of these things. She had very competent people who damn well knew all the ropes helping her.

THE WHOLE THING IS A SCAM.
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Water Dog wrote:Commenting on this a bit more. Jig is up. I'm curious to hear what Doc thinks.

Well, I think I've been pretty clear the whole time in that this has been a coordinated effort by Democrat operatives and activists with the tacit support of the mainstream media and their base. It was and is an obvious strategy that I think will backfire on them come the mid-terms.

Assuming you listened to all of Ford's testimony.

I watched the whole thing with the exception of missing a few minutes here and there when I had some things to do. But, for the most part, I was captivated by the dog and pony show. It was amazing.

Would you agree she put on kind of a "dumb blonde" act? It was either an act or it was real, but my point is that she presented herself as being a kind of clueless house mouse that needed to have her hand held.

I'll disagree with you re: how she presented herself. I think she did the 'crocodile tears' thing. I do. However, I thought she presented well, despite the lack of substance to her testimony. She won the optics test over Kavanaugh who probably didn't do himself any favors by being vaudevillian.

She didn't know anything. She made herself seem ignorant about everything. Doesn't know how to contact Feinstein's office, because the internet is just so confusing. Even though she had already contacted her congressman successfully.

Yeah, anyone who isn't in the tank on this fraud could see she was playing up her helplessness a bit. She's a damned professor at Stanford University. She knows what she's doing, and she isn't stupid.

Doesn't understand how to deal with lawyers, it's this new mystical world and she's sitting in the parking lot like a helpless woman interviewing lawyers that she finds in the yellow pages.

The polygraph, gee golly, you mean someone had to pay for that? Uhhhh, I just don't know, I don't know who paid for it. Don't know or understand how such things work, it's so confusing, please, someone help me. And the polygraph was so awful, it was long and stressful and they're poking and prodding me hooking me up to machines and stuff. Did they record the polygraph? I don't know, it was so traumatic, I cannot remember!

I still can't get anyone here to fess up tell me anything about who conducted the test, what their political orientation is, who the company is, who it contributed campaign money to, and we can't seem to *snap* find any correspondence between Dr. Ford's lawyers, Dr. Ford herself, and this polygrapher (and their company). Weird.

Did anybody help you write your letter to Feinstein, or in any way craft your story? No she said. Why did you change critical details at several times throughout this process? Details, which, incidentally were precisely the details that made it even more difficult to corroborate the story. Or, put another way, prevent the story from being refuted.

Yeah, she straight up lied under oath multiple times. But hey, she's not the one in a 'job interview' so we should cut her some slack for being a liar.

And then it turned out that this whole time she's being, at a minimum, advised by her FBI agent/lawyer bestie? The whole act she put on was just that, an act. She couldn't have been ignorant about any of these things. She had very competent people who damn well knew all the ropes helping her.

THE WHOLE THING IS A SCAM.

Clearly.


That said, it's been really, really, really good for the DNC. Their contributions are up, the base is energized, and we'll see if they have more political will in a month than the GOP. I kind of thought the mid-terms were losing steam, especially on my side, but I think we'll see really good turnout from both sides. I don't think embracing the #metoo and #justbelieveher is a good long-term strategy. The DNC will lose male support because movements like those turn on themselves and men will start opting out when they feel there's no reciprocity.

Projecting out, if the Democrats nominate just 'someone with a pulse' as their next Presidential candidate this farce that's happening right now will crush them in 2019. They absolutely need a rockstar of a candidate who can deftly harness the activism the above-mentioned movements have generated with a hopeful message of unity for the American people.

I have a feeling they're going to “F” this up, though.

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Re: Kavanaugh and Perjury

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Water Dog wrote:Commenting on this a bit more. Jig is up. I'm curious to hear what Doc thinks. Assuming you listened to all of Ford's testimony. Would you agree she put on kind of a "dumb blonde" act? It was either an act or it was real, but my point is that she presented herself as being a kind of clueless house mouse that needed to have her hand held.

She didn't know anything. She made herself seem ignorant about everything. Doesn't know how to contact Feinstein's office, because the internet is just so confusing. Even though she had already contacted her congressman successfully.

Doesn't understand how to deal with lawyers, it's this new mystical world and she's sitting in the parking lot like a helpless woman interviewing lawyers that she finds in the yellow pages.

The polygraph, gee golly, you mean someone had to pay for that? Uhhhh, I just don't know, I don't know who paid for it. Don't know or understand how such things work, it's so confusing, please, someone help me. And the polygraph was so awful, it was long and stressful and they're poking and prodding me hooking me up to machines and stuff. Did they record the polygraph? I don't know, it was so traumatic, I cannot remember!

Did anybody help you write your letter to Feinstein, or in any way craft your story? No she said. Why did you change critical details at several times throughout this process? Details, which, incidentally were precisely the details that made it even more difficult to corroborate the story. Or, put another way, prevent the story from being refuted.

And then it turned out that this whole time she's being, at a minimum, advised by her FBI agent/lawyer bestie? The whole act she put on was just that, an act. She couldn't have been ignorant about any of these things. She had very competent people who damn well knew all the ropes helping her.

THE WHOLE THING IS A SCAM.


That's fine, Dog. Let him take his seat on the high court. Then let him recuse himself from all decisions that can affect women and Democrats, since he's gone out of his way to show his inability to be impartial. He insulted the senators, raved about a conspiracy and whined about being held to account. Scam indeed. This pissy little partisan frat boy is your hero, eh? I'm not surprised. He fits in well with Cadet Bonespurs and Orrin Hatch, your superheroes. :lol:
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Silver's Twitter comments now are filled to the brim with a conservative troll brigade offering the usual aggressive inanity. Something about Silver must've really hit right-wing media recently.

Water Dog, if you are now claiming Silver was juse being trolled by Lowry, even though Lowry was saying stuff consistent with his other comments, then that isn't a defense of his poor reading of Silver's arguments so much as an explanation of it. But instead of mea culpaing that point, you just keep on plugging away.
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Water Dog quotes a statement saying that after Ford's friend said she had no recollection of the party, Ford's team contacted her because that testimony was being misrepesented by Republicans as a refutation of Ford. This is objectively true and even included Kavanaugh himself doing it. So Ford's friend sends a clarifying statement that she doesn't remember, not that it never happened. That's consistent with the initial statement. She says she believes Ford.

Water Dog describes this as witness tampering and pressuring to lie when it is nothing of the sort. And the quote he links himself tells you that. I don't know. Maybe get a few more degrees?
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EAllusion wrote:Water Dog quotes a statement saying that after Ford's friend said she had no recollection of the party, Ford's team contacted her because that testimony was being misrepesented by Republicans as a refutation of Ford. This is objectively true and even included Kavanaugh himself doing it. So Ford's friend sends a clarifying statement that she doesn't remember, not that it never happened. That's consistent with the initial statement. She says she believes Ford.

Water Dog describes this as witness tampering and pressuring to lie when it is nothing of the sort. And the quote he links himself tells you that. I don't know. Maybe get a few more degrees?


This sort of confusion just underlines the necessity of a substantial investigation, which didn't happen and was never meant to.
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Re: Kavanaugh and Perjury

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Water Dog wrote:THE WHOLE THING IS A SCAM.

Lol. You don’t even know why you want this guy on the bench. If you think you do, it’s for the worst reasons and you don’t dare go there.

But, damn, it’s fun watching you put wall after wall of text up about Ford when the person under consideration for Supreme Court is Kavanaugh, who revealed himself to be, under minimal stress, a hysterical man-child of unprecedented magnitude.

Go ahead, place his sorry arse on the court. Let him be your symbol for the next 40 years, for the scared, self-serving and whiny Snowflake Conservatism that has infected you and your peers. The adults will have to set things right some other day.
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