Kavanaugh and Perjury

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Res Ipsa wrote:It's pathetic, fake moon landing grade conspiracy puppy turds. The scariest thing I've read all day was that WD was close to thinking I was "reasonable."

Losing doesn't look good on you. Hmm. On the one hand, Trump is a Russian Agent and Russian computer nerds hacked the minds of tens of millions of American voters to swing an election. On the other, a sexually promiscuous feminist college professor makes up a story about rape, and has her feminist FBI lawyer friend help her. Which is more or less plausible "fake moon landing grade conspiracy."

Here's a fun conspiracy in the news today. Five high school girls form a sort of "Mean Girls" pact and concoct rape allegations against a boy they don't like.

https://triblive.com/local/regional/141 ... with-false

Two women conspire to influence a supreme court appointment? That's Fake Moon Landing talk.
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Water Dog wrote:Murkowski is a No. Flake is a firm Yes. Manchin is a firm Yes. Collins is holding a press conference at 3. Heitkamp, I love her as well. I'm going to send her a bouquet of roses as a thank you for ensuring Republicans hold the Senate. We might even pick up seats and prevent ourselves from being held hostage by people like Flake/Colllins/Murkowski.


Senator Heitkamp was starting to drop in the polls before she announced she would vote to not confirm Kavanaugh. She is very likely going to lose her re-election bid. Link

The Democrats could also end up losing Senate seats from Florida and/or Missouri in this election. The Senate map is not that favorable to the Democrats in this election cycle.
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Brackite wrote:Senator Heitkamp was starting to drop in the polls before she announced she would vote to not confirm Kavanaugh. She is very likely going to lose her re-election bid.


Well, she is now.I have a feeling if she voted for Kavanaugh she'd do well in ND.

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Water Dog wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:It's pathetic, fake moon landing grade conspiracy puppy turds. The scariest thing I've read all day was that Water Dog was close to thinking I was "reasonable."

Losing doesn't look good on you. Hmm. On the one hand, Trump is a Russian Agent and Russian computer nerds hacked the minds of tens of millions of American voters to swing an election. On the other, a sexually promiscuous feminist college professor makes up a story about rape, and has her feminist FBI lawyer friend help her. Which is more or less plausible "fake moon landing grade conspiracy."

Here's a fun conspiracy in the news today. Five high school girls form a sort of "Mean Girls" pact and concoct rape allegations against a boy they don't like.

https://triblive.com/local/regional/141 ... with-false

Two women conspire to influence a supreme court appointment? That's Fake Moon Landing talk.


Has nothing to do with winners and losers. It’s an allergy to BS. When you have to lie about and distort the evidence, you’ve just got one of your puppy turds. If you can quote me saying Trump is a Russian Agent or Russians hacked brains, be my guest. And, pro tip: the fact that there was a conspiracy somewhere by someone is not evidence of a conspiracy in this case. How did you earn several degrees and not learn basic reasoning skills.

Still waiting on that whole Ford brain damage thing...
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Brackite wrote:Senator Heitkamp was starting to drop in the polls before she announced she would vote to not confirm Kavanaugh. She is very likely going to lose her re-election bid.


Well, she is now.I have a feeling if she voted for Kavanaugh she'd do well in ND.

- Doc

You are aware she needs Democrats to come out and vote for her, right? That'd look craven and possibly hurt her on that front more than she stands to lose among Republicans. It's hard to know.
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Res Ipsa wrote:Still waiting WD. Or are you just going to dash off and fetch new turds? Your "squirrel" routine ain't fooling anyone.

Now, where did Ford say anything about brain damage?

Still waiting for what? It's not my fault if you lack the linguistic sophistication to read subtlety, nuance, and inference in standard everyday human interpersonal communications.

She's sitting in front of the whole damned country after making rape allegations against a supreme court nominee. A prosecutor just asked her why the “F” does your friend, the single most important witness she cited in her testimony, wholly refute her allegations. Doesn't remember it. No such party ever happened. Never even met Brett Kavanaugh, no idea who the man is.

Huh, Doctor, why doesn't she remember this stuff? What's your explanation for that?

"She has health problems, I'm so glad she's focusing on herself. She needs a lawyer to help her, you know."

If you can't read between the lines and register the plain meaning of what she just said, I'm not sure what to say. She very strongly implied Keyser has some sort of health issue that's behind her memory loss or whatever, suggesting she'd totally remember all this if not for these health issues. She even needs the help of a lawyer, apparently. She makes a point of saying this. Why? There is no other reason to bring up her health issues. She could have simply said, "I don't know." Instead she gave a reason for why she doesn't remember. "Health problems." So bad that she needs an attorney to act on her behalf. That either implies a brain damage problem, or that her friend is lying simply because she's in distress and doesn't need this. It's a silly routine. She implies brain damage, but is vague about it, because it's her friend and inappropriate to discuss such things publicly like this. She'd say more, but would prefer let's not get into all that please. Be sensitive, she's sick.

Oh, brother.

Clearly, as I linked, that's precisely how Keyser interpreted what she said. That's how her family interpreted what she said.

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EAllusion wrote:You are aware she needs Democrats to come out and vote for her, right? That'd look craven and possibly hurt her on that front more than she stands to lose among Republicans. It's hard to know.


No, I was completely oblivious to the fact a Democrat Senator would require Democrats to vote for her.

In other breaking news:

Kavanaugh requires at least 50 Senators to vote 'Yay' on Saturday to get a seat on the Supreme Court.

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I still think that Dr. Ford's testimony was considerably more credible than Kavanaugh's. She did not seem at all evasive and confidently answered all the questions asked of her. On the other hand, as RI pointe out, Kavanaugh often seemed evasive, did not directly answer some questions and sometimes, instead, answered questions not asked and were actually irrelevant. And the demonstrable fact still remains that he has a record of giving answers that were less than truthful while under oath in previous appearances before the senate. The evidence of that was always stronger and more compelling than the sexual allegations against him, despite Ford's apparently sincere and heartfelt testimony. This is what should have torpedoed his nomination, regardless of the merits of Ford's accusation. I am disgusted with the Senators who gave him a pass on that issue.

I am proud of Senator Heitkamp who voted her conscience, despite knowing it probably doomed her chances for reelection. I regard Manchin, Collins and probably Flake as moral cowards.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
EAllusion wrote:You are aware she needs Democrats to come out and vote for her, right? That'd look craven and possibly hurt her on that front more than she stands to lose among Republicans. It's hard to know.


No, I was completely oblivious to the fact a Democrat Senator would require Democrats to vote for her.


Yeah, Democrats might be less likely to want to get their butts to the polls to do that if she knifed them in the back on the issue du jour. So it's really hard to conclude with the certainty that you did that she'd win if she voted for Kavanaugh and lose if not. She's down a healthy amount in the polls and it's not even a little bit clear that she'd win enough Republican-leaning voters back from that vote to more than offset depression of Democratic turnout that might occur because of that vote. Both sides of that equation are unknowable to us. If she's really down 6-10 points as polls suggest, it's really hard to imagine a vote for Kavanaguh moving votes that much even if Democrats shrugged it off entirely.
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