Kavanaugh and Perjury

[_Water Dog]

Looks like the WSJ decided to headline Kavanaugh's win with a rape pun:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/susan-coll ... 1538780948

Classy.

This amuses me. Particularly in the context of the discussion that was just had re Ford clearly implying that Brain Eating Amoebas were the cause of her friend's lack of knowing what the “F” she's talking about. Now all of a sudden, people who couldn't read nuance just a few minutes ago, are suddenly quite gifted and interpret the word "consent" as a clever "rape pun" from Republican Rape Apologists. Never mind where this word comes from. Not like there is any historical precedent for its usage and meaning in this context. None whatsoever.

He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

That being said, I will acknowledge your point. I can genuinely understand how you would interpret it that way. I really don't think that's what the author was going for, but, given how certain people are triggered by gender pronouns today, how these people spend their time parsing the hell out of anything anybody says so that they can identify Unapproved Speech to be victimized by, not at all surprised. I probably would have chosen a different word myself. Although, choosing a different word to appease the leftist mob would serve to reward their bad behavior, so, maybe not.

[_EAllusion]

Do you know what a pun is Water Dog? Have you ever encountered that concept before?

It's clearly a play on consent as it relates to sex and consent in sense if advice and consent. It's a super awkward headline otherwise.

[_Water Dog]

God almighty.

[_Res Ipsa]

Look Doc, if you’re going to declare that I’m having this conversation with you in bad faith, then I’ll just say “have a good day” and move on. If you can’t accept that I don’t interpret a complicated factual situation the way you do, even when you think the answer is obvious, then I’ve misjudged you. When you say the “whole thing” is a political hit job, that could mean all kinds of scenarios. I’m assuming you have some kind of picture in mind, so that’s why I’m asking specifics.

I’m a little way because the way you are approaching this reminds me of ever conspiracy theory crank I’ve ever conversed with. Insisting that that the situation is obvious and expressing contempt for those who don’t agree is the modus operandi of the 911 truther or the moon landing is a hoax crowd. Likewise, demanding an explanation for how F found her lawyer is a classic CT argument. Explain why the flag waves when there isn’t any air. Explain why the collapsing tower looks exactly like a controlled demolition. But CT arguments don’t match up with my picture of you from all my dealing with you on the board. So rather than write you off as a crank on this topic, I’m trying to understand exactly what you are seeing in this complex set of facts that I am not.

Now, there are answers to the moon landing question and the 911 question, and there certainly is an answer to the question “how did Ford find her lawyers?” But I din’t have access to that answer and neither do you. So the honest answer is “I don’t know.” Anything beyond that is simply making stuff up.”

All I can say is that I see nothing in F retaining Katz that causes me to be suspicious that “the whole thing” is a political hit job. Based on my experience, I would guess she found Katz based on a recommendation from a friend or family member who knew Katz professionally, personally, or by reputation. Or maybe a friend of a friend. That’s how most people find their lawyers.

If I try to put myself in F’s shoes — having been outed by he press and knowing I’m up against some of the most powerful men in the country who will do anything to discredit me (cough Hatch cough), I’d be looking for good lawyers with experience in sexual assault cases as well as high profile political hearings. That’s likely to be more than one lawyer. And the question I’d be asking is who is the best.

My personal experience includes attending a private, east coast law school, where I observed the extent of networking that resulted from being educated in preparation schools. It was a real eye opener for this west coast kid who went to public schools. F attended UNC for undergrad, so it doesn’t surprise me at all that she could work her connections and end up with Katz. From there, I would imagine Katz provided recommendations for other lawyers.

How do you imagine F found her lawyers? And do you think she was lying when she testified about her recollection of an encounter with K?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Aaaaand there it is. Projection.

LOL

damned Rapeblicans. Can't even own the implications of their own idiotic arguments.

Hurr durr. I kern make pertmandoe's too. Watch hurr durr...

Demorapists. Hurr durr...

Demorats. HURR HURR...

Demoncrats. HHHHHHHHUUUUUURRRRRR....

I'm Schmo. HUUUUURRRRR.

Lol fuckin' this guy.

- Doc

[Guest]

So much to address. But I'll try in good faith.

Look Doc, if you’re going to declare that I’m having this conversation with you in bad faith, then I’ll just say “have a good day” and move on.

You're the one that is declaring people plotting against other people within the political arena is somehow this mystical unknowable concept at best and that it's a nutbjob conspirator theory tinfoil hat wearing angle at worst. It's not like Katz is literally part of a self-professed Trump resistance movement, though.

If you can’t accept that I don’t interpret a complicated factual situation the way you do, even when you think the answer is obvious, then I’ve misjudged you. When you say the “whole thing” is a political hit job, that could mean all kinds of scenarios. I’m assuming you have some kind of picture in mind, so that’s why I’m asking specifics.

I've been pretty clear throughout the entire thread. I think this is a coordinated effort made by Democrat partisans to resist Trump, and Kavanaugh was a target of opportunity. Clearly. That's exactly what happened.

I’m a little way because the way you are approaching this reminds me of ever conspiracy theory crank I’ve ever conversed with. Insisting that that the situation is obvious and expressing contempt for those who don’t agree is the modus operandi of the 911 truther or the moon landing is a hoax crowd.

That fact that you can compare a partisan plot to take down Kavanaugh with 9-11 truthers or a moon landing hoax is exactly why you're arguing in bad faith. It couldn't be more ridiculous what you just posted.

Likewise, demanding an explanation for how F found her lawyer is a classic CT argument. Explain why the flag waves when there isn’t any air. Explain why the collapsing tower looks exactly like a controlled demolition. But CT arguments don’t match up with my picture of you from all my dealing with you on the board. So rather than write you off as a crank on this topic, I’m trying to understand exactly what you are seeing in this complex set of facts that I am not.

So, you don't know. You don't know how a registered Democrat Trump protestor who had indirect connections to Kavanaugh in high school could possibly be linked up with Debra Katz, and open and avowed feminist and political activist who is part of an openly Trump resistance movement.

Now, there are answers to the moon landing question and the 911 question, and there certainly is an answer to the question “how did Ford find her lawyers?” But I din’t have access to that answer and neither do you. So the honest answer is “I don’t know.” Anything beyond that is simply making stuff up.”

All I can say is that I see nothing in F retaining Katz that causes me to be suspicious that “the whole thing” is a political hit job. Based on my experience, I would guess she found Katz based on a recommendation from a friend or family member who knew Katz professionally, personally, or by reputation. Or maybe a friend of a friend. That’s how most people find their lawyers.

Well. You're getting closer. Let me know if you care enough to start making the connections that are open to a Google search and show a link through their political actions. You do realize, that it's a fairly common investigative practice my law enforcement and intelligence agencies to literally draw link charts between people, discover what their connections are, and then draw conclusions so they can understand networks and organizations? This isn't moon landing conspiracy stuff. This is just basic common sense. Weird that you think making connections and drawing conclusions is akin to the Truther movement.

If I try to put myself in F’s shoes — having been outed by he press and knowing I’m up against some of the most powerful men in the country who will do anything to discredit me (cough Hatch cough), I’d be looking for good lawyers with experience in sexual assault cases as well as high profile political hearings. That’s likely to be more than one lawyer. And the question I’d be asking is who is the best.

And you'd naturally end up at Katz, Marshall, and Banks, LLP. Naturally.

https://www.kmblegal.com/attorneys-and-staff/debra-katz

My personal experience includes attending a private, east coast law school, where I observed the extent of networking that resulted from being educated in preparation schools. It was a real eye opener for this west coast kid who went to public schools. F attended UNC for undergrad, so it doesn’t surprise me at all that she could work her connections and end up with Katz. From there, I would imagine Katz provided recommendations for other lawyers.

Now you're getting. A team was put together, with a goal in mind. Can you point out how Ford got into contact with Katz, and then how Katz got into contact with the other players? Because we're actually starting to see a strategy form, all I need you to do is make the connections.

eta: *cough* Michael Bromwich *cough*

I mean, if you're willing, we can start to piece together Ford's team, and put together the link chart that would show the connections that would undeniably show this was an effort by the Democrats to resist Trump. Let me know.

- Doc

[_Res Ipsa]

Aw Doc, you missed the best one: Demonrats.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Aw Doc, you missed the best one: Demonrats.

Dang it. It was there all along. I'm always amused when the 'tards on both sides start thinking themselves clever because they discovered portmanteaus.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

I checked in on religious right radio while driving today and the conversation was on the need to prosecute and imprison Ford. So, it's going swimmingly over there.

I continue to be really uneasy about just how influential and absolutely bonkers religious right culture is that mainstream society seems oblivious to since it is largely isolated from them until it is mediated by institutions like Republican politics.

[_Res Ipsa]

Doc, thanks for your response. I’m headed out for a few hours, but will respond later today.