Nelsons daughter and son-in-law accused of sex abuse

[_Res Ipsa]

Online reviews of Barbara Snow:

Please look up how Barbara Snow has contributed to the Satanic panic. She also treated her own family members, in whom she implanted false memories of military programming and abuse. For this she agreed to go on probation from practice. She clearly is not abstaining from practice because this. I'd recommend a therapist without a criminal record.

Dr. Snow has been one of the few doctors willing to work with survivors of organized abuse, and not abandon us during a period of public skepticism. As seen recently in Pennsylvania, even people in trusted positions have been involved in coordinated misconduct. In recommending her, I feel it would be important to bring out the fact that extreme abuse can no longer be passed off.

There are other common misunderstandings of the contexts Dr. Snow specializes in. You might hear the term "Satanic Panic" used by detractors of her work. "Satanic Panic" is a sensational label which downplays a period of public awareness that occurred in our country. We became aware of very real and devastating abuse that can happen in groups of people using beliefs of western Christian religions for control and exploitation. Organized abuse can happen, and does happen, in groups that operate on the side of many institutions. Not just religions that believe in Satan.

Dissociation of severe abuse within families also occurs. It is a sad fact, and it may be advisable to consider having some amount of separation until traumas can be healed. Barbara has been a therapist who is willing to have hard conversations, work with these heartbreaking cases, and enable the victim in making their own choice that may save them psychologically.

When I was a child, there was only one person that cared enough to ask me about the abuse they suspected in my home. They pursued it with me up to a point, but I had been conditioned to keep it quiet. If they would have asked me just one more time, I would have felt confident enough to tell them what was happening to me. I would encourage those who are studying Dr. Snow's work to read her research entitled "How Children Tell."

There has been plenty of misinformation posted about events during Dr. Snow's tenure as a professional. A perpetrator who was exposed went to great lengths to have the Department of Public Licencing scrutinize some pro bono work she had done. Because of the heinous nature of crimes against children, there has been more than one guilty party that has found ways to pressure and discredit her to cover up their guilt.

Fortunately, we are at a period of time when those who abuse and exploit can be exposed through public outcry, and we are at a period of time when abusers efforts at concealment through intimidation can no longer work.

I know that people who wrote negative reviews have experienced a great deal of pain in their families, because I have been there. But those who are reflecting on their time with Dr. Snow through a negative lens may be 'shooting the messenger' and misdirecting their anger. A Doctor who ran the first child trauma treatment center in Utah would have the ability to see the signs of trauma in children they were treating. Child social workers see abuses of children we could not imagine, and when you see situations like that you would not be pursuing your own agenda.

I was willing to take the time to write this review because of the fact that I was on the edge before I worked with Dr. Snow, and after much searching, I providentially found her. I can say that under her care I have been able to begin to recover, stabilize, and be enabled to raise my own children in a stable home - and I am so very grateful for that.

Dr. Snow is the Dissociative Disorder expert in Utah. She handles a full practice with clients with various psychological challenges, dissociation is simply what she specializes in. She has had more experience in this area than any other therapist locally. If you have had severe trauma in your past, it may be helpful to your healing to find a therapist who understands dissociation. Real healing can happen under Dr. Snow's care if you are willing to confront dissociated trauma.

I have completed over a year of therapy in Barbara's care, and I feel it would be important to help people know they would find the correct advocate for their healing in Barbara. From the very first appointment, I could tell she understood childhood trauma in an expert way and had a therapeutic manner that was calming and ideal. She can offer diagnosis concisely and competently because of her expertise and experience. Knowing the kind of professional service and dedication she provides it is sad that former clients would write bad reviews, but then it must be understood she is willing to take on those who are troubled with complex histories. She has been one of those people who was willing to fight for children in challenging settings like court cases, where predators were convinced by a court of law. She is sincere and trust-able and I have great respect for her work.

So what the hell is going on?

What needs explaining? Unless you take the position that everything Snow touches turns to gold or, on the other hand, everything touches turns to crap, there's nothing surprising here.

[_Res Ipsa]

What is "hypnosis"?

I humbly suggest you do your own homework.

[_Res Ipsa]

I hope Barbara Snow writes a memoir -- now she really can.

It's a rare life experience to be used as a media target for the purpose of discrediting child sexual abuse victims.

This woman has a head on her. Rare.

From what I've read of the investigation that led to her being disciplined, she used techniques that coerced children into describing abuse for which there was no other evidence. Have you read the transcripts of some of her interviews? It's shocking. The final blow came when police disclosed to her some fake evidence of abuse, which then showed up as stories told by children she was treating. To describe what happened to her as having anything to do with "discrediting child abuse victims" is flat out wrong. She was creating victims where none actually existed.

[_Res Ipsa]

What is a conspiracy?

In general, it's an agreement among two or more people to a plan to commit an illegal act, as long as at least one of those persons has taken a substantial step toward accomplishing the the illegal objective.

[_Meadowchik]

Here is a better link to the complaint:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-BRx2s ... 1p2fC/view

Thanks Meadowchick, that one worked.

Having read the complaint, I think the touching parties are more of a distraction than anything. The mother notified her Bishop of the abuse. The preparation was diagnosed as a pedophile. Yet no church discipline. Wife number two relies on the absence of discipline to reject wife one’s warning.

Obviously, the complaint is only part of the story, but if plaintiffs can get past the SOL, this could be pretty interesting.

YW.

It appears to me that testimony against the Miles was not obtained through memory recovery techniques. Could be mistaken. I've also been told that there's more evidence now than thirty years ago.

Nelson just called women to fast from social media for 10 days, but I think this story will have longer legs if the judge doesn't dismiss.

[_Res Ipsa]

Yeah, I didn’t get the impression that recovered memory techniques were used either.

If the motion to dismiss is denied, it will be interesting to see where this goes.

Only the women are supposed to “fast”? Weird.

[_Rosebud]

What is a conspiracy?

In general, it's an agreement among two or more people to a plan to commit an illegal act, as long as at least one of those persons has taken a substantial step toward accomplishing the the illegal objective.

So..... a conspiracy is a common action taken by criminals for the objective of benefitting themselves financially or otherwise, depending on the crime committed. And a conspiracy requires that illegal actions have already been taken.

In the case of child abuse, all parties who know of the abuse and don't take actions to stop or prevent it are complicit to the crime and vulnerable to being drawn into a "conspiracy." Those who have also abused children would be especially vulnerable to being drawn into a "conspiracy."

One of the most difficult narratives I've heard is of women being drawn into the problem through marrying men who then abuse their children and then threaten the women that if they ever say anything, they will go to jail and suffer public social sanctions, too. The women are then coerced into helping their new husbands make the abuse possible. Sometimes the men marry them for the purpose of having babies. Sometimes the women are coerced into being abusive themselves. With enough fear, you can get people to do just about anything.

I do not intend to be sexist with this explanation. I just haven't heard any narratives in which the genders are reversed.

And the teenage perpetrators -- still children and often victims during early childhood themselves. How easy would it be to coerce them into being part of a "conspiracy"?

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Is the use of the word "conspiracy" to minimize and discredit a sensationalization?

[_Rosebud]

This story has been going on for decades.

It has far more than 10 days worth of legs.

[_Meadowchik]

Yeah, I didn’t get the impression that recovered memory techniques were used either.

If the motion to dismiss is denied, it will be interesting to see where this goes.

Only the women are supposed to “fast”? Weird.

Yes, only women.

Another interesting GC thing: The majority of conference speakers have been quoting Nelson in their talks. How common is this, for GC speakers to quote the living prophet one after the other? If this is not so common, could there be an organised push to enhance Nelson's image, possibly related to this news? The DN did identify his daughter and SIL according to their wishes so there does seem to be a plan to get ahead of this story.

[_Rosebud]

The quick motion seeking to discredit the victims using the publicly discredited name of Barbara Snow while adding to their own credibility by quickly pulling out the names of well known and highly respected individuals was smart, from the church's perspective.

That's what has always worked for them in the past.

I'd assume that this time they knew that the Miles' names would hit social media anyway so it was in their best interests to quickly hit back hard.

The fact that the Johns and Janes only sued the Nelson daughter and husband instead of also suing the church may add to their credibility. But as far as I understand, only children set 2 have a claim against the church. Maybe Plaintiff set 2 will make that suit once this one gets some traction. That suit would benefit from this one regardless.