Kavanaugh and Perjury

[_Res Ipsa]

WD, you are one confused puppy. You start out by arguing that almost nobody but a few evangelicals would argue that killing a one year old is the same as abortion and then turn around and argue there is no difference. You accuse liberals as eschewing compromise, ignoring that Roe v. Wade itself is a compromise between abortion being illegal and abortion being fully legal. You accuse me of being extremist, when what I actually advocate is pretty much the status quo and you seem to advocate pretty much the same thing (legal early with increasing ability to regulate)

You even lost track of exactly what we were discussing. You scoffed at the notion that Ds had anything to fear. All I’ve done is point out that you didn’t even address what the actual fear was and why those fears weren’t unreasonable. Your response is basically “oh that won’t happen.” Dude, I’m living in a country where things that I thought would never happen seem to happen on a regular basis.

And that last bit is precious. Conservatives would never act badly, but if they do it’s liberal’s fault. Yay! A built in excuse for anything at all. Can we at least drop the pretense that the right advocates taking responsibility for one’s actions

[_Res Ipsa]

Also note, the lady who said this is one of the writers for Colbert.

Shrugs. Could we maybe have a separate thread for people who post stupid crap on Twitter?

Pro tip: If you’re a Supreme Court justice and your wife and family love and support you and half the country considers you a hero, your life hasn’t been ruined.

[_Res Ipsa]

I'm a bit lost on how legal abortion as it actually exists in the US is forcing people to live in some way they object to and wouldn't live otherwise.

Yeah, the fact that no one is advocating mandatory abortion seems to escape some folks.

[_Water Dog]

I'm a bit lost on how legal abortion as it actually exists in the US is forcing people to live in some way they object to and wouldn't live otherwise.

Would Utah legalize abortion? No. You then point out that nobody is forced to have an abortion. True. I appreciate what you're saying, but don't agree. It's not only about the literal individual person, but about communities and their cultures. Utah wants to protect a certain culture. You, and I, may disagree with that culture and find it offensive. Nonetheless. Liberals want to impose a culture, a homogeneity. They won't force you to have an abortion, yet, but they want to normalize abortion and influence the culture. Inch by inch take it in a direction that looks more like what they consider to be the Correct Culture.

I'm a bit lost on how legal abortion as it actually exists in the US is forcing people to live in some way they object to and wouldn't live otherwise.

Yeah, the fact that no one is advocating mandatory abortion seems to escape some folks.

If they had their way it would absolutely get there. Overpopulation! Global Warming! Oh, it would totally go in that direction.

[_honorentheos]

But again, why do Utahns who don't support abortion need to make a law outlawing it if they wouldn't do it themselves? Why force someone else to have to either carry a pregnancy to term or go to another state? It doesn't make sense, Water Dog. If there is agreement that contraception is ok, and there is a certain period of time between conception and birth where we aren't talking about it as murder of a human being but rather the prevention of an unwanted pregnancy then where is the State's interest that deserves to be given precedent over that of the individual?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Also note, the lady who said this is one of the writers for Colbert.

Shrugs. Could we maybe have a separate thread for people who post stupid crap on Twitter?

Pro tip: If you’re a Supreme Court justice and your wife and family love and support you and half the country considers you a hero, your life hasn’t been ruined.

If half the country calls or believes RI is a rapist how would that affect you? Regardless, the fact that this seems to be a thing on the Left, a smug sense of destroying someone's reputation (and in some cases careers), is really problematic, not just for the targets of their smear jobs, but for us as a Party that needs to start winning hearts and minds. This isn't the way to win ref a long-term strategy. Then again the 'optics' of a mainstream show's writer crowing about destroying a public persona's life apparently isn't a concern.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

She's being sarcastic Doc. She's making fun of conservatives who argued that Kavanaugh was having his life ruined by having his reputation harmed and possibly being denied a Supreme Court seat.

[_Water Dog]

But again, why do Utahns who don't support abortion need to make a law outlawing it if they wouldn't do it themselves? Why force someone else to have to either carry a pregnancy to term or go to another state? It doesn't make sense, Water Dog.

Makes perfect sense to me. I'm frankly unsure of how it doesn't make sense to anyone else. I suppose just because their experience differs. In other threads we've gotten into the immigration debate. I've talked about how I've seen neighborhoods in my area turn into ghettos as this problem continues to grow worse. Crime up. School system gone to hell. Dead bodies being dropped near my house. Game cameras snapping pictures of guys with guns roaming on my land. It's no different with these other issues. Abortion being legal in an area will influence the culture in that area. Gay marriage being legal in an area will influence the culture in that area. Alcohol being legal in an area will influence the culture in that area. It raises obvious questions like how does it potentially impact public school curriculum? Sex education? Etc.

You're asking all the wrong questions and avoiding the point I made. Why does the massive population in NY feel it has a right to force its way on people in North Dakota? Why? What is the moral or even basic logical argument for this? What utility?

Instead of addressing this, you're making an emotional kind of appeal. "We're not trying to force anyone to have an abortion." Said in the innocent sort of tone that would be used to sell drugs, "just one time doesn't hurt." Not forcing anyone to have an abortion, yet. But yeah, damn right, you're absolutely trying to influence the culture. You want to promote a certain sexual culture. Availability of abortion is part of that. We can get into all the ancillary issues, like minor children being able to procure an abortion without parental consent or reporting, how is abortion marketed among the community, how this impacts sex education in the public school, who pays for it, and so on.

Come now, let's not be dishonest. You want to influence the culture. In terms of political theory I am very much the libertarian style small government guy. If some community in Utah wants to make abortion 100% illegal in every way, I don't care. Why should I? What is the point of having states? They should be free to do them as far as I'm concerned. I see our states as being like cultural capitalism. Vote with your feet and move if you don't like it. And they are - to Texas. And I frankly don't like it because they're bringing their liberal riff raff and damned up our elections. Jacked up their neighborhood, now they want to come jack up mine.

[_Water Dog]

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

She's being sarcastic Doc. She's making fun of conservatives who argued that Kavanaugh was having his life ruined by having his reputation harmed and possibly being denied a Supreme Court seat.

Oh, is that what's she saying now that her Twitter post blew up in her face?

- Doc