Kavanaugh and Perjury

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Re: Kavanaugh and Perjury

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
EAllusion wrote:She's being sarcastic Doc. She's making fun of conservatives who argued that Kavanaugh was having his life ruined by having his reputation harmed and possibly being denied a Supreme Court seat.


Oh, is that what's she saying now that her Twitter post blew up in her face?

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I don't know what she is saying. I just know how to read.

Did the humorless brigade at the alt-right not get a joke again?
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
EAllusion wrote:She's being sarcastic Doc. She's making fun of conservatives who argued that Kavanaugh was having his life ruined by having his reputation harmed and possibly being denied a Supreme Court seat.


Oh, is that what's she saying now that her Twitter post blew up in her face?


EAllusion wrote:Looks like the WSJ decided to headline Kavanaugh's win with a rape pun:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/susan-coll ... 1538780948

Classy.
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EAllusion wrote:
Oh, is that what's she saying now that her Twitter post blew up in her face?

- Doc

I don't know what she is saying. I just know how to read.[/quote]

Here's one of her followers being 'sarcastic' when talking to a Conservative commenter:

#ImWithNancy
#ImWithNancy
@anypigslft
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3h
Replying to
@JGR74
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@ArielDumas
Rape lovers like you should sit down.


EA is playing hardball today! Wew lad.

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Govind Acharya
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So you think Ford and Ramirez are lying. That sounds like defending a sexual predator to me.


Maybe Ms. Totes Sarcastic should clue her followers in?

- Doc
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Some Schmo wrote:
Gunnar wrote:I think the saddest thing about the Kavanaugh affair is that this man who has demonstrably lied under oath on multiple occasions to further his career and right wing agendas is going to wind up being confirmed not just despite that fact, but because of it.

The GOP base has signed on to the party of rape. Rape is A-ok to the right. Raping teenagers is especially ok. They'll whine about their candidates being falsely accused, but we all know, deep down inside, they are all for rape. They reveal themselves over and over. Just how many alleged rapists are they willing to support?

All McConnell talked about this week was "ramming it through." Rapeblicans. Disgusting old men forcing themselves on everyone.

Certainly one of the extremely unfortunate consequences of the way Doctor Ford's accusation and the way the Republican Senators treated it and her will be to make victims of sexual assault (especially female ones) more reluctant and fearful than ever of reporting it, especially if the perpetrator was some well known and powerful figure. Besides that, despite the #metoo movement it will probably re-embolden some such perpetrators to think they can get away with it with little or no serious consequences to themselves.

I also imagine that that Kavanaugh's supporters may have welcomed the way Ford's accusation deflected attention away from the very sustantive evidence of Kavanaugh's prior perjury before Senate hearings and committees, which alone provided more than ample justification for keeping him off the Supreme Court. Susan Collins' failure to give due consideration to that glaring fact was the most disgraceful part of her determination to vote yes. All those who voted for Kavanaugh deserve criticism and even condemnation for dismissing out of hand that hard fact.
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Water Dod wrote:...
Yeah, there definitely is a theme here in not being able to read. A writer for Colbert literally thinks Kavanaugh, a brand new Supreme Court Justice, has a ruined life after liberals have been consistently mocking that notion.

I read a study the other day purporting to show one of the best predictors of modern conservative voting behavior was low verbal IQ. I raised my eyebrow at that and took it with a grain of salt. Weirdly, it does match my anecdotal experience.
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Water Dog wrote:
honorentheos wrote:But again, why do Utahns who don't support abortion need to make a law outlawing it if they wouldn't do it themselves? Why force someone else to have to either carry a pregnancy to term or go to another state? It doesn't make sense, Water Dog.

Makes perfect sense to me. I'm frankly unsure of how it doesn't make sense to anyone else. I suppose just because their experience differs. In other threads we've gotten into the immigration debate. I've talked about how I've seen neighborhoods in my area turn into ghettos as this problem continues to grow worse. Crime up. School system gone to hell. Dead bodies being dropped near my house. Game cameras snapping pictures of guys with guns roaming on my land. It's no different with these other issues. Abortion being legal in an area will influence the culture in that area. Gay marriage being legal in an area will influence the culture in that area. Alcohol being legal in an area will influence the culture in that area. It raises obvious questions like how does it potentially impact public school curriculum? Sex education? Etc.

You're asking all the wrong questions and avoiding the point I made. Why does the massive population in New York feel it has a right to force its way on people in North Dakota? Why? What is the moral or even basic logical argument for this? What utility?

Instead of addressing this, you're making an emotional kind of appeal. "We're not trying to force anyone to have an abortion." Said in the innocent sort of tone that would be used to sell drugs, "just one time doesn't hurt." Not forcing anyone to have an abortion, yet. But yeah, damn right, you're absolutely trying to influence the culture. You want to promote a certain sexual culture. Availability of abortion is part of that. We can get into all the ancillary issues, like minor children being able to procure an abortion without parental consent or reporting, how is abortion marketed among the community, how this impacts sex education in the public school, who pays for it, and so on.

Come now, let's not be dishonest. You want to influence the culture. In terms of political theory I am very much the libertarian style small government guy. If some community in Utah wants to make abortion 100% illegal in every way, I don't care. Why should I? What is the point of having states? They should be free to do them as far as I'm concerned. I see our states as being like cultural capitalism. Vote with your feet and move if you don't like it. And they are - to Texas. And I frankly don't like it because they're bringing their liberal riff raff and ____ up our elections. Jacked up their neighborhood, now they want to come jack up mine.

Your argument is that the law should function to protect cultural enclaves from the expansion of individual liberty? Are you familiar with the term balkanization?
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EAllusion wrote:
Water Dod wrote:...
Yeah, there definitely is a theme here in not being able to read. A writer for Colbert literally thinks Kavanaugh, a brand new Supreme Court Justice, has a ruined life.

I read a study the other day purporting to show one of the best predictors of modern conservative voting behavior was low verbal IQ. I raised my eyebrow at that and took it with a grain of salt. Weirdly, it does match my anecdotal experience.


I love how EA feels this constant, unrelenting need to remind everyone how incredibly smart he is and then invents an opponent's position which he can coveniently counter.

I wish there was some sort of logical fallacy that embodies his posting style and could be succinctly descibed... Some sort of weird habit of setting up some sort of argument that's not being made, and then sort of 'knocking it over', as it were...

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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I don't have a Twitter account and don't care to follow any subject on Twitter, so I can't speak to the surrounding discussion. But the quote shared by Water Dog was pretty clear sarcasm regarding Kavanaugh's confirmation being realized. Whether or not that sarcasm glosses over the fact that every decision he is involved in will be tainted by the confirmation process is another matter.
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Yep, that's right. These people don't mean a word of it. Just sarcasm. All in good fun, all in good fun. I'm sure the death threats are just harmless pranks as well. Like toilet papering someone's house, right, a sign of endearment more than anything? Yeah, I bet. Take a stroll through the Twitter feed for the Women's March. I'm sure that's all sarcasm. Wew, some sarcasm.

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And all the talk about launching an investigation, delegitimization, impeachment, etc., just sarcasm too? I'm sure if either Trump or Kavanaugh was left in a room alone with these people absolutely nothing would happen to them. Not a hair on their head would be harmed.

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