New IPCC report is out

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honorentheos wrote:
On the other hand, if you aren't who you claim to be and are who you sometimes come across as being, it's good for everyone else to point that out.


Why the Hell does it matter? I am just trying to a conversation. But if you are so interested in me, then let's have a video chat some other day. Okay! Send me a Private message if you are interested.
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
honorentheos wrote:
On the other hand, if you aren't who you claim to be and are who you sometimes come across as being, it's good for everyone else to point that out.


Why the Hell does it matter? I am just trying to a conversation. But if you are so interested in me, then let's have a video chat some other day. Okay! Send me a Private message if you are interested.

Why does it matter if you are who you claim to be or are a middle aged Mormon pretending to be a young, post-Mormon progressive? In the context of this board it doesn't. Neither does pointing out that you come across that way in the context of anything that matters. Now, in the context of extending this into something in real life? It would matter a lot more. I made a few Facebook connections through the board a few years ago, and ultimately decided it was largely better to keep this board quarantined. There's been some sketchy things that have happened on the board when the boundary breaks down between it and people's in real life including threats of violence, attempts to get people fired from their jobs, doxing of information pertaining to criminal accusations or other serious claims, and more. Probably much more than I'm aware of. Point being, that you come across as inauthentic isn't a selling point for seeking an in real life connection.
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honorentheos wrote:Why does it matter if you are who you claim to be or are a middle aged Mormon pretending to be a young, post-Mormon progressive? In the context of this board it doesn't.


LOL I am not a progressive, I am not a post-Mormon (I am still Mormon), and I am not young (I am an adult) okay. Young when I was a stupid 15 year old wasting my time reading the scriptures and church approved history.

honorentheos wrote: Now, in the context of extending this into something in real life? It would matter a lot more. I made a few Facebook connections through the board a few years ago, and ultimately decided it was largely better to keep this board quarantined. There's been some sketchy things that have happened on the board when the boundary breaks down between it and people's in real life including threats of violence, attempts to get people fired from their jobs, doxing of information pertaining to criminal accusations or other serious claims, and more. Probably much more than I'm aware of. Point being, that you come across as inauthentic isn't a selling point for seeking an in real life connection.


Let's just talk about climate change okay.
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DoubtingThomas wrote:Listen, let's just talk about climate change okay.

Completely agree, so long as we agree that the first point of order should be to dismiss moving into space as a meaningful solution within a timeframe and budget that has a foot in reality.
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honorentheos wrote: Completely agree, so long as we agree that the first point of order should be to dismiss moving into space as a meaningful solution within a timeframe and budget that has a foot in reality.


So I guess Stephen Hawking and others are a bunch of idiots.

A major concern of Hawking, and others, is that climate change is already causing rapid sea level rise. It is possible that, if this progression isn’t diminished by a cut in emissions, a significant percentage of what is currently land will be under water. (This is, of course, in addition to the other life-threatening effects of climate change.) Additionally, as this continues, populations are set to continue increasing, which could have disastrous consequences. Hawking is confident that within the next few hundred years, Earth will no longer be a habitable option for humans.


https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/st ... ncna818926

I didn't say we need to spread out into space tomorrow, but it is something that we humans have to do in the future.
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
honorentheos wrote: Completely agree, so long as we agree that the first point of order should be to dismiss moving into space as a meaningful solution within a timeframe and budget that has a foot in reality.


So I guess Stephen Hawking and others are a bunch of idiots.

A major concern of Hawking, and others, is that climate change is already causing rapid sea level rise. It is possible that, if this progression isn’t diminished by a cut in emissions, a significant percentage of what is currently land will be under water. (This is, of course, in addition to the other life-threatening effects of climate change.) Additionally, as this continues, populations are set to continue increasing, which could have disastrous consequences. Hawking is confident that within the next few hundred years, Earth will no longer be a habitable option for humans.


https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/st ... ncna818926

I didn't say we need to spread out into space tomorrow, but it is something that we humans have to do in the future.
If we don't focus our effort and money on the next fifty years, whether or not we expand our footprint into the void of space within the next 600 years will be a meaningless debate.

Anywho, it looks like we now have less than twenty years before we see devastating sea level rise, resource scarcity and regular large-scaled disasters that could easily outstrip our ability to recover in the intervals between. So, what that means in the era when the American president still claims it's a hoax sponsored by the Chinese is straight up scary.
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honorentheos wrote:If we don't focus our effort and money on the next fifty years, whether or not we expand our footprint into the void of space within the next 600 years will be a meaningless debate.


I believe we humans have to do everything possible to fight climate change, I don't want to live in a warmer planet in 50 years. So I agree with you. I simply like the idea of going to space because it is something we have to do.

"5 undeniable reasons humans need to colonize Mars"
https://www.businessinsider.com/5-unden ... ars-2015-4
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honorentheos wrote:
Anywho, it looks like we now have less than twenty years before we see devastating sea level rise, resource scarcity and regular large-scaled disasters that could easily outstrip our ability to recover in the intervals between. So, what that means in the era when the American president still claims it's a hoax sponsored by the Chinese is straight up scary.


But for the news media the overturning Roe vs Wade is a bigger threat. The reality is that most Americans don't give a s*** about climate change. I guess we will care when it is too late.
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honorentheos wrote: If you are who you claim to be, pointing out problems with how you come across or gaps in your expressed views is the most honest, charitable thing I can do as an anonymous and indifferent poster on the internet..


But I am thinking about what you told me. I should probably listen. Thanks!

I will try to sound more intelligent and mature next time.
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honorentheos wrote:If we don't focus our effort and money on the next fifty years, whether or not we expand our footprint into the void of space within the next 600 years will be a meaningless debate.


Well, yes. That is obvious. Discussing the possibility of the human race emigrating to another planet in the context of the IPCC report is a bit like the following:

"Oh my God: the government has just broadcast a warning that our town is in the path of a huge forest wildfire that will be here in about an hour! get the kids in the car!!!"

"That's really interesting! I read this article by a plant geneticist who said that we might try to use gene technology to produce a new kind of non-flammable tree to replace the ones that catch fire."

The second speaker has said something interesting, but it they are a prudent person they will realise that discussion of the current urgent situation must take precedence over further discussion of such matters.

So now let's talk about the IPCC report - OK?

Let's go:

Here are the Headline Statements. If you want more detail, you can go up a level to the Summary for Policymakers.




Global Warming of 1.5 °C an IPCC special report on the impacts of global warming of 1.5 °C above pre-industrial levels and related global greenhouse gas emission pathways, in the context of strengthening the global response to the threat of climate change, sustainable development, and efforts to eradicate poverty

Headline Statements

A. Understanding Global Warming of 1.5°C4

A1. Human activities are estimated to have caused approximately 1.0°C of global warming above pre-industrial levels, with a likely range of 0.8°C to 1.2°C. Global warming is likely to reach 1.5°C between 2030 and 2052 if it continues to increase at the current rate (high confidence).

A.2. Warming from anthropogenic emissions from the pre-industrial period to the present will persist for centuries to millennia and will continue to cause further long- term changes in the climate system, such as sea level rise, with associated impacts (high confidence), but these emissions alone are unlikely to cause global warming of 1.5°C (medium confidence).

A3. Climate-related risks for natural and human systems are higher for global warming of 1.5°C than at present, but lower than at 2°C (high confidence). These risks depend on the magnitude and rate of warming, geographic location, levels of development and vulnerability, and on the choices and implementation of adaptation and mitigation options (high confidence).

B. Projected Climate Change, Potential Impacts and Associated Risks

B1. Climate models project robust7 differences in regional climate characteristics between present-day and global warming of 1.5°C, and between 1.5°C and 2°C. These differences include increases in: mean temperature in most land and ocean regions (high confidence), hot extremes in most inhabited regions (high confidence), heavy precipitation in several regions (medium confidence), and the probability of drought and precipitation deficits in some regions (medium confidence).

B2. By 2100, global mean sea level rise is projected to be around 0.1 metre lower with global warming of 1.5°C compared to 2°C (medium confidence). Sea level will continue to rise well beyond 2100 (high confidence), and the magnitude and rate of this rise depends on future emission pathways. A slower rate of sea level rise enables greater opportunities for adaptation in the human and ecological systems of small islands, low-lying coastal areas and deltas (medium confidence).

B3. On land, impacts on biodiversity and ecosystems, including species loss and extinction, are projected to be lower at 1.5°C of global warming compared to 2°C. Limiting global warming to 1.5°C compared to 2°C is projected to lower the impacts on terrestrial, freshwater, and coastal ecosystems and to retain more of their services to humans (high confidence).

B4. Limiting global warming to 1.5°C compared to 2oC is projected to reduce increases in ocean temperature as well as associated increases in ocean acidity and decreases in ocean oxygen levels (high confidence). Consequently, limiting global warming to 1.5°C is projected to reduce risks to marine biodiversity, fisheries, and ecosystems, and their functions and services to humans, as illustrated by recent changes to Arctic sea ice and warm water coral reef ecosystems (high confidence).

B5. Climate-related risks to health, livelihoods, food security, water supply, human security, and economic growth are projected to increase with global warming of 1.5°C and increase further with 2°C.

B6. Most adaptation needs will be lower for global warming of 1.5°C compared to 2°C (high confidence). There are a wide range of adaptation options that can reduce the risks of climate change (high confidence). There are limits to adaptation and adaptive capacity for some human and natural systems at global warming of 1.5°C, with associated losses (medium confidence). The number and availability of adaptation options vary by sector (medium confidence).

C. Emission Pathways and System Transitions Consistent with 1.5°C Global Warming

C1. In model pathways with no or limited overshoot of 1.5°C, global net anthropogenic CO2 emissions decline by about 45% from 2010 levels by 2030 (40– 60% interquartile range), reaching net zero around 2050 (2045–2055 interquartile range). For limiting global warming to below 2°C, CO2 emissions are projected to decline by about 20% by 2030 in most pathways (10–30% interquartile range) and reach net zero around 2075 (2065–2080 interquartile range). Non-CO2 emissions in pathways that limit global warming to 1.5°C show deep reductions that are similar to those in pathways limiting warming to 2°C (high confidence).

C2. Pathways limiting global warming to 1.5°C with no or limited overshoot would require rapid and far-reaching transitions in energy, land, urban and infrastructure (including transport and buildings), and industrial systems (high confidence). These systems transitions are unprecedented in terms of scale, but not necessarily in terms of speed, and imply deep emissions reductions in all sectors, a wide portfolio of mitigation options and a significant upscaling of investments in those options (medium confidence).

C3. All pathways that limit global warming to 1.5°C with limited or no overshoot project the use of carbon dioxide removal (CDR) on the order of 100–1000 GtCO2 over the 21st century. CDR would be used to compensate for residual emissions and, in most cases, achieve net negative emissions to return global warming to 1.5°C following a peak (high confidence). CDR deployment of several hundreds of GtCO2 is subject to multiple feasibility and sustainability constraints (high confidence). Significant near-term emissions reductions and measures to lower energy and land demand can limit CDR deployment to a few hundred GtCO2 without reliance on bioenergy with carbon capture and storage (BECCS) (high confidence).

D. Strengthening the Global Response in the Context of Sustainable Development and Efforts to Eradicate Poverty

D1. Estimates of the global emissions outcome of current nationally stated mitigation ambitions as submitted under the Paris Agreement would lead to global greenhouse gas emissions in 2030 of 52–58 GtCO2eq yr-1 (medium confidence). Pathways reflecting these ambitions would not limit global warming to 1.5°C, even if supplemented by very challenging increases in the scale and ambition of emissions reductions after 2030 (high confidence). Avoiding overshoot and reliance on future largescale deployment of carbon dioxide removal (CDR) can only be achieved if global CO2 emissions start to decline well before 2030 (high confidence).

D2. The avoided climate change impacts on sustainable development, eradication of poverty and reducing inequalities would be greater if global warming were limited to 1.5°C rather than 2°C, if mitigation and adaptation synergies are maximized while trade-offs are minimized (high confidence).

D3. Adaptation options specific to national contexts, if carefully selected together with enabling conditions, will have benefits for sustainable development and poverty reduction with global warming of 1.5°C, although trade-offs are possible (high confidence).

D4. Mitigation options consistent with 1.5°C pathways are associated with multiple synergies and trade-offs across the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs). While the total number of possible synergies exceeds the number of trade-offs, their net effect will depend on the pace and magnitude of changes, the composition of the mitigation portfolio and the management of the transition (high confidence).

D5. Limiting the risks from global warming of 1.5°C in the context of sustainable development and poverty eradication implies system transitions that can be enabled by an increase of adaptation and mitigation investments, policy instruments, the acceleration of technological innovation and behaviour changes (high confidence).

D6. Sustainable development supports, and often enables, the fundamental societal and systems transitions and transformations that help limit global warming to 1.5°C. Such changes facilitate the pursuit of climate-resilient development pathways that achieve ambitious mitigation and adaptation in conjunction with poverty eradication and efforts to reduce inequalities (high confidence).

D7. Strengthening the capacities for climate action of national and sub-national authorities, civil society, the private sector, indigenous peoples and local communities can support the implementation of ambitious actions implied by limiting global warming to 1.5°C (high confidence). International cooperation can provide an enabling environment for this to be achieved in all countries and for all people, in the context of sustainable development. International cooperation is a critical enabler for developing countries and vulnerable regions (high confidence).
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