Nelsons daughter and son-in-law accused of sex abuse

[_Rosebud]

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[_cwald]

Hasn't the Satanic Panic of the 80's and early 90's been thoroughly ad completely debunked?

West Memphis Three



https://soundcloud.com/lastpodcastontheleft/episode-335-the-west-memphis

[_Rosebud]

Regardless of current disputes over the past and disputes over the past in the past, effective Child Protection Policies are paramount.

NOW is far too late.

In the first few years of the 2000s, the Boy Scouts appointed a man named Douglass Sovereign Smith, Jr. to lead their Youth Protection Task Force.

2005:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7326932/ns/us ... 78RwJNKh-U

FORT WORTH, Texas — A longtime Boy Scouts of America official who directed a national task force to protect children from sexual abuse pleaded guilty Wednesday to possession and distribution of child pornography.

Douglas Sovereign Smith Jr. entered his plea without making a deal with prosecutors. “He’s willing to accept responsibility. ... Obviously, he wanted to get this behind him,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Bret Helmer said.

Smith’s only comments in court were one-word answers to a judge’s questions.

Smith was a national program director and staff adviser of the Boy Scout’s renowned Youth Protection Task Force.

Shields said Smith took over the task force a couple of years ago when another employee retired. Smith managed the distribution of literature, video tapes, a Web site and other resources that teach children and adults at schools, churches and Boy Scout troops how to detect and prevent child abuse.

Smith was in charge of youth protection at the time the Boy Scouts instituted the two-deep Child Protection Policy that the church then followed.

He gave a deposition while incarcerated. You can watch excerpts from this deposition in the right-hand sidebar of this link: https://www.yahoo.com/news/blogs/lookou ... 30269.html

The deposition pops up a little ways down the page. You have to turn the sound up to hear it. I was not able to find it on YouTube at present. It is a "Yahoo acquired video."

Questioner: Where do you currently reside?

Smith: At the federal correctional institution in Fort Worth, Texas.

Questioner: Which criminal statute were you convicted of that has resulted in your incarceration?

Smith: I was convicted of receipt and distribution of child pornography.

Questioner: Would you agree that the crime which you pled guilty to is not consistent with the goals and objectives of the BSA program?

Smith: Yes, sir.... yes, sir, I agree with you.

Questioner: Did you ever hold a position at the boy scouts of america with respect to youth protection or youth protection guidelines?

Smith: Yes, sir.

Questioner: And when was that, sir?

Smith: It was the last few year that I was there.... we prepared.. uh... materials to help local counsels and local units... um... provide safe programs for children.

Questioner: And the safe programs, would that be all types of safety programs ranging from what? Can you give me a description of what kind of safety programs you're talking about, sir?

Smith: We were primarily dealing with safety from child sexual abuse. <-------------

[_Mary]

Hi Rosebud. I have been trying to get my head around this and noticed this discussion over here..(also waves to Cinepro)

I wrote out a timeline which may be useful

"Timeline
1982 – Marion Smith [Psychotherapist] becomes first director of ISAT, one of the only organisations in Utah devoted to the treatment of Child Abuse.


1982 approx - Dr. Barbara Snow [PhD Social Work] Clinical Director of ISAT.


1984 – Arvin Shreeve founds and becomes leader of the Zion Society, Ogden.


1985 – The Lehi Ritual abuse scare began when Mrs Sheila Bowers of Lehi contacted Barbara Snow concerned by inappropriate sexual talk of her 3 children. At first a babysitter who was the daughter of the Bishop was implicated, then her parents. Snow asked to interview other children. Snow held a parent therapy group which Alan Hadfield and Rex Bowers attended. 40 adults eventually implicated. Dr. Paul Whitehead represented the Utah Psychiatric Association and supported Snow against increasing opposition to her methods and findings.


1985 – Marion Smith was asked to give talk on abuse at church meeting.


1985 – Arden Brett Bullock's neighbour took her 4 year old boy to Barbara Snow on recommendation of Marion Smith at ISAT because she was worried about inappropriate sexual comments to two other 4 year olds. On 2nd meeting it emerges that boys have been allegedly sexually abused by 2 eight year olds, one of who is Brett Bullock's son.


1985 – December - boys in Brett Bullocks case referred to Dr Ann Tyler [Psychologist and Executive Director of the Family Support Centre] Her assessment is that all 4 boys were likely sexually abused.


1986 January – Mother 1 [Marion Smith’s daughter] heard from a neighbour that their children were being sexually abused. As precaution Mother 1 takes Jane Doe 1 to Barbara Snow at ISAT. Initially Snow clears children of being sexually abused. On hearing their sitter was implicated, reinterviewed one daughter for 2 hours until she provided a claim of abuse by babysitter. Later claims she had been abused by 2 [names unknown] teenage boys as well. Mother 1 meets with bishopric who was viewed as helpful at first. Def 1 was 2nd counsellor in bishopric and was absent at this meeting.


1986 January/February - Jane Doe 1 allegedly reveals to mother that Def 1 and Def 2 held touching parties. Apostle Nelson turns up soon after and sits with daughter at sacrament meeting.


1986 January/February – Jane Doe 1 allegedly asks mother what difference was between what Def 1 and Def 2 do, and daddy’s marriage lessons.


1986 March – Mother 1 takes children to Hawaii where parents own home. Perpetrator [Bill C] is admitted to John Hopkins to begin psychiatric evaluation.


1986 April – at request of police Dr at PC hospital confirmed all 4 children of Mother 1 had been sexually abused.


1986 June – Perpetrator [Bill] is released from John Hopkins with a diagnosis of paedophilia.


1986 – sometime after June, Neal A Maxwell gives blessing to family of Perpetrator. Allegedly mentions how “perpetrators” made terrible choices. Blessed for comfort and to be able to forgive and forget.


1986 – Through 1986 and for many years afterwards Dr. Paul Whitehead [Utah Psychiatric Association] treats perpetrator and Mother 1's children and confirms that in his opinion they were sexually abused by Perpetrator and Def 1 and Def 2.


1986 – A Utah jury convicts Brett Bullock of 3 counts child abuse, 3 count s*d*my. Feature of defence was concentration on Barbara Snow's methods.


1987 – trial against Alan Hadfield. Feature of defence against children’s testimonies was the issue of Snow's methods thought to be coercive and questionable by Dr. Stephen Golding [Director of Clinical Psychiatry]


1988 – Perpetrator having never been convicted by the state or disciplined by the church, remarries. He allegedly begins abusing the children of Mother 2. [Jane Doe 3 and 4 and John Doe 2]


1989 – Brett Bullock's conviction upheld in Utah Supreme Court.


1989/1990 - Utah Supreme Court, [State vs Tuttle] hypnotherapy not reliable enough to be used in court proceedings.


1990 – Brett Bullock's petition for certiorari denied by US Supreme Court.


1990 – Pace Memo [released in 1991] up to 60 members were giving testimony that they were ritually abused. A 30 month investigation found no evidence to substantiate testimonies. Two interview methods of therapists were criticised – 1] hypnotism 2] automatic writing


1992 – Utah State Task Force on Ritual Abuse. 125 alleged cases, including a case where a mother and father admitted to sexual crimes involving the ritual sexual abuse of 3 children. Other individuals named in that case, but cannot be prosecuted because of statute of limitations.


1992 – Alvin Shreeve and Sharon Kapp of Zion Society in Ogden sentenced to 20 and 10 years including sexual abuse of children. 12 members of 100 strong group, also convicted.


1992 – Richard G. Scott, apostle, gives talk noting that false allegations are a sin.


1992 – Brett Bullock files writ of habeas corpus on basis he had ineffective counsel in jury trial.


1995 – Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 allegedly tell Mother 2 that perpetrator had sexually abused them as children. Police contacted perpetrator who fled Utah only to return where, at his mother’s house, he commits suicide.


1995 – Attorney General Report: Ritual Crime in the State of Utah. Investigation, Analysis and a look forward – Conclusion was testimony only evidence. No evidence of homicide.


1996 – 4 day Magisrate evidential hearing on habeas corpus case Brett Bullock.


1999 – District Court denies all Brett Bullocks claims.

 
2002- Brett Bullock's appeal is denied.


What emerged for me are 3 general points: -
1. What was the impact of polygamous groups (like those of Alvin Shreeve, and later Warren Jeffs, where the theology and culture supports the abuse of children), on the wider society and fears of organised groups that sexually abused children?

2. Kristy Johnson, who was allegedly abused by her father notes that he worked with a McConkie at BYU, and shared an office. He had allegedly adopted the theology that God had physical s*xual relations with a very young Mary, his daughter in LDS thinking. Have these ideas given justification to fathers who abuse their daughters?

3. Why were Alan Hadfield and Brett Bullock prosecuted, whilst the perpetrator (Bill C) was let off?

[_Rosebud]

The Spotlight team didn't have an easy time of it. Good dramatization of the resistance they dealt with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=918acvj7L1Y

The Catholic church is very influential in Boston, but likely less influential than the Mormon church is in Salt Lake City.

[_Rosebud]

Mary, would you edit your timeline to include the publishing of the book by Corydon Hammond (of the University of Utah school of medicine) and colleagues:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=50088&start=105#p1149499 -----> 1998

The book is significant because the authors are directly addressing the concerns of the 1995 Attorney General report:

Again, full AG report is found here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7kaN0 ... 5amh3/view

Excerpt from page 4:

The media and the general public often look to criminal prosecution as a barometer of what is happening in society, what is a problem and what isn't. Unfortunately, there are aa number of reasons why it is not possible to gauge the occurrence of ritual abuse through the number of successful prosecutions. First, many reports are made many years after the original even or accusal. Often statues of limitations prohibit prosecution, and even if there is an exception to the statute of limitations, there may be no way to obtain corroborative evidence that abuse did take place when so many years have elapsed. Second, often the reports of victims are based on "recovered memories", which were blocked at an early age and are only recalled after some intensive therapeutic intervention. This therapy often involves hypnosis. The Utah Supreme Court has stated unequivocally that a prosecution cannot be based upon testimony that is hypnotically-refreshed or enhanced, due to the unreliability and suggestibility of that process. State v. Tuttle, 780 P.2d 1203 (Utah 1989), cert denied 494 U.S. 1018, (1990). Most courts throughout the country which have addressed the issue have ruled that the outcome of hypnotherapy is not reliable enough to be admissible in court proceedings. (A copy of the brief on this subject is available from the AG's Office.)

Barbara Snow wasn't (isn't) close to alone among therapists. She was the person who was attacked as part of a defense in trial. That's the way trials work. The defense found a vulnerability and used it. Snow took the hit.

[_Rosebud]

Also, Mary, the Attorney General Report (1995) States this (page 3):

In another case, three adult female children recalled memories of Satanic sexual abuse that occurred while they were very young. The victims, in separate interviews discussed robed ceremonies, alters, candles, animal sacrifices and extreme physical and sexual abuse. Since their recollections appeared to show some consistency, an in-depth investigation was launched. At the conclusion of the investigation, the suspects were interviewed. Both the mother and the father admitted to serious sexual and physical crimes against the children and named several other individuals who were also involved. The case, however could not be prosecuted because the statute of limitations had run. The crimes occurred over 25 years ago, but this case does indicate that serious sexual and physical abuse can happen and that it is perpetuated by those who cloak their crimes in ritualistic activity.

Inaccurate summaries of the AG report are a problem. Too many people are relying on reports about the report rather than reading the report itself.

Could you add this to your timeline, too?

[_Rosebud]

From Mary's timeline:

1987 – trial against Alan Hadfield. Feature of defence against children’s testimonies was the issue of Snow's methods thought to be coercive and questionable by Dr. Stephen Golding [Director of Clinical Psychiatry]

Dr. Stephen L Golding is also known for his defense of Brian David Mitchel.

From Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_L._Golding

Stephen L. Golding (born 1944) is an emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Utah and a forensic psychologist who has written a large amount of articles on the process of determining whether people are competent to stand trial.

Golding has a BA from the University of Arizona and a Ph.D. from the University of Oregon. He was a professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign from 1970–1985 and from 1985-2006 was a professor at the University of Utah. He did post-doctoral research at UCLA and was a visiting professor at the University of South Florida.

Golding was a witness for the defense in Brian David Mitchell's federal competency hearing, arguing that Mitchell was delusional and wanted to be convicted making him unable to assist in his own defense.[1]

[_Mary]

Thanks Rosebud. Will amend. Very much want to get this right.

[_Rosebud]

Thanks Rosebud. Will amend. Very much want to get this right.

I'm glad you thought to put it together. It's very needed. Clapping.

What would be great is a timeline with links to documents and archived newspaper articles. The media is the intermediary between the people on the ground, the AG office, law enforcement and the public. Right now the public, in my opinion, is on living on sensationalization rather than cogent presentations of materials.

A record of what the media is and isn't reporting interspersed with court documents, police reports, official reports, whatever, would be invaluable. All dated and all in chronological sequence.

Not that you have to do all that alone, but I think we can collect a lot here and work on putting something valuable together...... something less sensationalized, more fact based and something that is attempting to be observant without freaking out or minimizing and disregarding.