Res Ipsa wrote:So is that what you were doing in the other thread -- not making genuine arguments but acting the fool and posting troll comments? When others were attempting to have a serious conversation about climate change? So how is that supposed to lead me to want to engage you in serious discussion now or ever?
Like it or not, it's simply the nature of the thing. This is a point Doc likes to make. It isn't reasonable for you to expect me to be subject to rules that you don't subject yourself to. Nothing personal against, you, but when threads turn silly and I start getting dogpiled and it's effectively me vs. all of you, what do you expect? You act all high and mighty as if you are not a part of that because you didn't say that one thing, that was someone else, but you're happy to sit idly by as that happens over and over and over, never making any effort to police your own.
It's like Bill Maher. What does Maher do? He constructs a panel designed to make conservatives look like idiots. He'll invite a random conservative to his show, who is usually someone that lacks the temperament to take on what he or she is being setup for. And then he'll invite a "conservative" who's actually a liberal. A "moderate." Then he'll invite two liberals. One who's the muscle, an attack dog, who will make the arguments. And then another who's the comic. With Maher being #5, it will then be 4 on 1. Plus the audience on Maher's side. Conservative says something, comic relief ridicules it with a joke, audience cheers, and then attack dog delivers a nice soundbite. More support from the comic. The moderate will side with the liberal. It becomes a team effort to make the conservative and the conservative position look idiotic and ridicule it without there being any real opportunity to actually have a discussion.
What happens here is the same. Are you Kevin? Are you Mak? Are you Schmo? Are you Chap? Et al. No, you don't fling the poo like they do. Because you know they will do it for you. You know the score. You understand the field of play. And you play to the gallery knowing how that dynamic will be. This may not be a conscious act on your art, I'm not suggesting some kind of coordinated effort. It's not a conspiracy, it's just herd mentality. Y'all have been doing this long enough that everybody understands their role in this game and how to redirect and contribute to the momentum of the discussion and steer it the way they want. Me, being in the weaker position, what can I say? It's not personal. Perhaps I should try to isolate personalities more than I do. But that's pretty hard once the ball gets moving. You know that. This isn't something that should need to be explained.
Res Ipsa wrote:All that tells me is that you've gone after climate science in full attack mode without even trying to learn about it. That makes me simply think "why waste my time?" What you need isn't a debate -- you need an education.
Perhaps. Perhaps. But, what you don't realize, is I feel the same way about you. I recognize that you "think" you know what you're talking about. But I don't think you actually do. You are like a TBM apologist. Done a lot of certain types of research. You've learned a "lot" about your little Star Trek universe. Do you know more about it than me? Probably. But I think I know a few things you don't. I may not know all the ins and outs of Star Trek World, you'll win a debate about the physics behind the warp core engine for example, but I know enough to know that it's BS. Mountains and mountains of papers and research which is all based on faulty assumptions. An individual paper or study could be 100% sound, mathematically perfect in every way. But, if it's built on top of fundamentally wrong axioms, or erratic data, etc., it becomes total fiction. Context.
Res Ipsa wrote:WD, I've read hundreds of your posts on this board. You never approach a subject fairly. Why should I have any confidence that you'll do a turnaround after all this time?
Well you're just being grumpy now. Is there anyone on this forum who has transformed more than me? Give me a little credit. I showed up full TBM and have done a complete 180 on a lot of things. I've held my own despite nearly always being in the minority. First I was lumped in with the likes of Tobin. I've forever been accused of being Will Schryver. I've changed my opinion many times when confronted by the evidence. I've also held my ground when I disagree. I don't adopt a position to curry favor with anybody. But I've never been too proud to admit when I'm wrong.
LOL, ok DCP, have fun in your safe space.