Trump owes Warren $1 million. Will he pay his debt?

[_Quasimodo]

You know you're losing the argument when you've been busted for regurgitating bad Right Wing websites that are easily refuted with a basic understanding of how to use a calculator, and now you have to keep posting Twitter feeds from Daily Caller idiots, using the largest images allowed by the forum.

Because when you're wrong, it is important to be visually loud about it.

Yes! DNA results are now under consideration by the Cherokee tribes. There has been a lot of research on Native American DNA in the past few years. It's still hard to discern between many tribes because there was a great deal of mingling between tribes in the past, but Native American DNA in general is easy to discern (NA DNA includes all of North and South America).

My wife's DNA is nearly 50% Native American (as expected) and those results are very reliable. I weary of the GOP BS.

[_subgenius]

Real question, what percentage of DNA would you need to be considered x-y-z, or that you're of x-y-z heritage?

For example, I have 3% Scandinavian DNA (down from 17% when they revised their technique, I guess). How much of a claim to Scandinavian heritage would make sense to claim?

As an aside, I'm fine with not being Scandinavian, I'm just curious if there's some sort of standard that applies when claiming heritage.

- Doc

I am pretty sure that having (potentially) 1/1024th Indian background does not qualify for anything....its rather like claiming Noah heritage to get a scholarship to BYU.

Pretty sure she neglected to do that math on her Harvard application.

[_Kevin Graham]

Kevin, you are truly a gift. You are like the Michael Avenatti of the board. Thanks to you I can generally ignore more intelligent lefty arguments that would be more time consuming to deal with. When those leftists of greater intellect express tacit agreement with your imbecilic remarks, by ignoring them, by not calling you out for being the total d__a__ that you are, for making them look bad, while going out of their way to "stalk," as RI likes to put it, small and petty things, they are in a form expressing agreement with your position. I can therefore debunk them, by simply laughing at you. And laughing I am.

Face it, you're an idiot. I already refuted the Federalist guru you posted and you have no response to that because you can't argue against basic math. Now you're busted for rejecting a Stanford expert on genetics, while relying instead on a Daily Caller writer's Twitter feed as if these worn out talking points from 2012 have somehow become worthy of our time after the millionth time they were refuted.

You can't "debunk" crap, and you're not laughing. You're frustrated because you don't know how to post an original thought. All you do is rely on Twitter idiots who work for Federalist, Breitbart and Daily Caller. That's it. You're proving that you're every bit the daft shill I've always claimed you were. When we refute something you post from these people, you have nothing left to say unless you can find something else they said and pass it off as your own. Wash, rinse, repeat.

The idea that you were trying to have a "great" debate on climate change is simply priceless.

[_EAllusion]

Benny Johnson is the guy who recently invented a fictional back story filled with racist stereotypes for Kanye West in a failed quest to pwn the libs, no?

I'd think if concern over inventing fictional back stories for political credibility really bothered you, you wouldn't be going to him to make your arguments for you, but you do you.

Once you clear away the claim that Warren illicitly benefited from a false story of Native American heritage, which has been known to be false for a little while now, there's just not much there. What are you nailing her on exactly? What's the worst case scenario here? Somewhat exaggerating the extent of her Native American heritage because she thought it was cool?

Oh no. That's worth one, possible two derisive snickers. Definitely worth the same amount of attention and coverage as one major scandal after another coming from the party in power.

[_subgenius]

You know you're losing the argument when you've been busted for regurgitating bad Right Wing websites that are easily refuted with a basic understanding of how to use a calculator, and now you have to keep posting Twitter feeds from Daily Caller idiots, using the largest images allowed by the forum.

Because when you're wrong, it is important to be visually loud about it.

Yes! DNA results are now under consideration by the Cherokee tribes. There has been a lot of research on Native American DNA in the past few years. It's still hard to discern between many tribes because there was a great deal of mingling between tribes in the past, but Native American DNA in general is easy to discern (NA DNA includes all of North and South America).

My wife's DNA is nearly 50% Native American (as expected) and those results are very reliable. I weary of the GOP BS.

Being 1/1024th Cherokee does not allow you to be considered Cherokee....most tribes require a direct ancestor on a tribal roll and at least 1/16th "blood"...DNA tests don't qualify under tribe guidelines....must have documentation directly linking ancestor to yourself, not some obscure "indian in the woodpile theory".

[_Kevin Graham]

I am pretty sure that having (potentially) 1/1024th Indian background does not qualify for anything....its rather like claiming Noah heritage to get a scholarship to BYU.

Pretty sure she neglected to do that math on her Harvard application.

Pretty sure you've read not a single thing on this topic. The DNA results say she could plausibly be 6 generations removed from her Native American ancestor, which means she could very well be 1.6% Native American which is 16 times more Native American than the average white American.

At the very least it proves she didn't lie about anything. She never said to what degree she had native American ancestry, only that she had some. And the test proved she is correct. Most white Americans have no Indian DNA. Trump lied to the world insisting he had more Indian DNA than she did, and he admitted he had none. For years Trump has called her and her entire family a bunch of liars and if he wants to squelch on his bet then he should at least offer an apology to the Warren family, some of whom are Republicans.

Incidentally, the Daily Caller moron Water Dog referenced is posting on Twitter an old recipe book. They're mocking her for signing it "Elizabeth Warren - Cherokee" but failed to mention that it was supposed to be something of an Indian cookbook, called recipes from the "Five Tribes" or something to that effect.

What they're too stupid to realize is that this was back in 1984, and the request came from her cousin. This proves that Elizabeth Warren and her family took it for granted more than 34 years ago that they were of Native American decent and this was years before she applied for any position at Harvard. So the narrative that she made this up so she could get minority status for work is disproved.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I think you're required to have at least 50% Native American to get free college at universities that offer this benefit.

It's 1/16th and you have to be a registered member of your tribe. Or at least that's the case in Wisconsin. I am not sure if that is state or federal criteria. I'm sure you could look it up nationally.

The entire thing is based on ideas about race influenced by long discredited ideas in scientific racism. It's not a good system.

Today EA is: r4ce Is uh $oci4l c0nStrUct!

Tomorrow: R4c3isM iS reAl gaIz!

I know I know. It's nuance. Racism isn't scientific, but cultural. Funny how it's always shoehorned into the narrative when it works against the GOP.

Can we at least agree that ethnicities exist? Senator Warren did, in fact, contribute recipes for a cookbook, according to Politifact, called 'Pow Wow Chow'. It appears she pilfered her recipes from the New York Times, but that should hardly be held against her, unless you consider crab with mayonnaise and herbed tomatoes traditional Cherokee fare as a result.

- Doc

[_Water Dog]

Kevin "Avenatti" Graham.

[Reflexzero]

for what it's worth, there are some tribes (such as Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma) that don't have any minimum blood quantum requirement.

However, as has been noted above, you do have to demonstrate lineal decent from at least one person on the tribal roll.

So, Sen Warrant** could be 1/∞ Cherokee, and still be able to be a member of the CNO. But (and it's a mighty big but), she'd have to demonstrate at least one recognized lineal ancestor.



(**Autocorrect error left, because it made me giggle)

[_Quasimodo]

Being 1/1024th Cherokee does not allow you to be considered Cherokee....most tribes require a direct ancestor on a tribal roll and at least 1/16th "blood"...DNA tests don't qualify under tribe guidelines....must have documentation directly linking ancestor to yourself, not some obscure "indian in the woodpile theory".

Many (if not most) NA tribes will consider DNA results when screening for membership. If one does have Native American DNA in their ancestry, they are part Native American. Period.

The idea of descending from a specific tribe is as obscure as determining if your ancestors come from Berlin as apposed to being from that region of Germany. NA tribes did not develop in isolation. They interbred with many different neighboring tribes. The same with the rest of the world.