Trump owes Warren $1 million. Will he pay his debt?

[_canpakes]

OK. Got a question.

Why is it a ‘thing’ for conservatives if Warren’s DNA test cannot prove that she - or anyone else - is Cherokee, specifically? The test reveals a Native American heritage nonetheless.

Trump questioned that and was proven wrong. And now it’s interesting watching his minions fall all over themselves to defend him welching on a bet.

If I had to guess is they didn't like her using an obviously distant relative to achieve minority status. They found it absurd, pandering, and perceptually it appeared she was taking advantage of a minority population to earn privilege and Liberal street cred.
- Doc

I'm not aware that she has been granted minority status for her claim, for any particular reason or position, but maybe someone else can provide that detail.

Nevertheless, there are a few interesting assumptions that some folks could derive from these sorts of arguments:

1. Whereas a white conservative can be cheered on by his peers for grasping at his distant past to claim a 'southern heritage' and identify with the Confederate States (including proudly displaying the flag of a rebel nation), a non-white or mixed race person should be accused of "using an obviously distant relative to achieve minority status" if the latter identifies or acknowledges a genealogical connection with non-white relatives of an approximately similar past time period.

2. Identifying with a Native American ancestry - if the connection is minor - is seen as pandering if the individual is a liberal, but as culturally sensitive if the individual is a conservative.

3. Liberals automatically grant 'street cred' to whitish-looking people claiming a distant non-white genealogical connection.

4. Liberals should just shut their mouths about any genealogical non-white history and pretend that they can only be 100-percent lily-white Caucasian, lest they will offend the tender sensibilities of folks who prefer to identify as only one heritage or race, as well as risk being accused of any number of silly assumptions such as #2 above.

And we should cheer on calling mixed race individuals derogatory nicknames.

We certainly live in interesting times.

[_canpakes]

Whatever the case may be I assumed she was like my ex-FIL who is 1/16th Cherokee, met whatever criteria one of the nations has for membership, but is as blue-eyed European as the come.

If I remember correctly, none of the 3 major bands of the Cherokee nation have a blood quantum requirement. Proving a genealogical connection is more commonly determined through historical and land records, but given how that sort of information is so incomplete for Cherokee peoples, the chance of proving that connection gets pretty dim once you're a few generations removed and outside that society.

[_Dr. Shades]

I think most people would be astonished at both the quantity and variations of '____' both Jerseyites and military types employ.

Isn't swearing indicative of poor upbringing and/or lack of education?

[_Chap]

If I had to guess is they didn't like [Warren] using an obviously distant relative to achieve minority status. They found it absurd, pandering, and perceptually it appeared she was taking advantage of a minority population to earn privilege and Liberal street cred.
- Doc

I'm not aware that she has been granted minority status for her claim, for any particular reason or position, but maybe someone else can provide that detail.

Nevertheless, there are a few interesting assumptions that some folks could derive from these sorts of arguments:

1. Whereas a white conservative can be cheered on by his peers for grasping at his distant past to claim a 'southern heritage' and identify with the Confederate States (including proudly displaying the flag of a rebel nation), a non-white or mixed race person should be accused of "using an obviously distant relative to achieve minority status" if the latter identifies or acknowledges a genealogical connection with non-white relatives of an approximately similar past time period.

2. Identifying with a Native American ancestry - if the connection is minor - is seen as pandering if the individual is a liberal, but as culturally sensitive if the individual is a conservative.

3. Liberals automatically grant 'street cred' to whitish-looking people claiming a distant non-white genealogical connection.

4. Liberals should just shut their mouths about any genealogical non-white history and pretend that they can only be 100-percent lily-white Caucasian, lest they will offend the tender sensibilities of folks who prefer to identify as only one heritage or race, as well as risk being accused of any number of silly assumptions such as #2 above.

And we should cheer on calling mixed race individuals derogatory nicknames.

We certainly live in interesting times.

Nicely put ... the sloppy abuse was very accurately skewered.

[_Some Schmo]

I think most people would be astonished at both the quantity and variations of '____' both Jerseyites and military types employ.

Isn't swearing indicative of poor upbringing and/or lack of education?

“F” no. Well maybe.

[_canpakes]

As an aside, I don't think she comes close, like at all, to winning the Democrtic nomination so this is all silliness.

Saddens me greatly to say I agree. She took herself out of the running by pulling this stunt, and now, of all times. Certain key lefty players are not happy with her on Twitter. She done.

Which stunt did she pull? Actually having some Native American heritage? Or forcing Trump to call her, ‘Pocahontas’?

I don’t think she was intending to run, but she has managed to make Trump look silly, as well as the folks who will now have to switch their rant to, “She’s not ‘Indian’ enough!”. That’s just a bad look.

[_subgenius]

Silly. If you have Native American ancestry, you have Native American ancestry. What is unclear about that?

The unclear part is where its Mexican and 10 generations removed....but at least Warren successfully poisoned the all-to-often-relied-upon-well of identity politics and privilege.....she is no longer a rich old white person - she is a minority now!

[_canpakes]

Silly. If you have Native American ancestry, you have Native American ancestry. What is unclear about that?

The unclear part is where its Mexican and 10 generations removed....but at least Warren successfully poisoned the all-to-often-relied-upon-well of identity politics and privilege.....she is no longer a rich old white person - she is a minority now!

Nah. She did it before it was cool. : )

[_subgenius]

Nah. She did it before it was cool. : )

a Harvard Law's first woman of color - breaking dat glass ceiling yo!

[_Some Schmo]

Notice EA can never admit he's wrong when he's wrong.

LOL

damned hypocrite. Incredibly damned hypocritical.

Unreal.