Dr. Peterson's FAIR Conference Talk

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Seems a bit weird that Dan still has hate emails saved from four years ago.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:I’ve had some time to mull things over, and I have arrived at a conclusion. This is the single worst talk that has ever been given in the history of Mopologetics. This is going to go down as a milestone. I don’t know if there are any avenues whereby an attendee might request a refund, but I’m certainly sympathetic.

I just had my brother-in-law who is a PA read DCP's talk.

His medical opinion is that DCP was under the influence of Ambien or he recently had a ministroke.
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I've noticed a recurring comment from his blog. Now granted, I never check it out unless it's referenced here, but I find it interesting that he keeps dropping the phrase, "From an incomplete manuscript...", or some variation thereof. Is this a common thing within academia? I'm obviously ignorant on an academic's processes, so if anyone would like to chime in can they tell us if this is a thing where you have literally dozens of unfinished manuscripts laying about? Is there an angle he's working whereby dropping the notion that he's busy writing manuscripts, but can't seem to *snap* find the time is somehow professional?

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:This is the single worst talk that has ever been given in the history of Mopologetics.

I just had my brother-in-law who is a PA read DCP's talk.

His medical opinion is that DCP was under the influence of Ambien or he recently had a ministroke.

In FAIRness (heh), I ought to point out again that DCP is, like it or not, a very gifted public speaker. Therefore, reading the talk probably doesn't provide the same experience as listening to it.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I've noticed a recurring comment from his blog. Now granted, I never check it out unless it's referenced here, but I find it interesting that he keeps dropping the phrase, "From an incomplete manuscript...", or some variation thereof. Is this a common thing within academia? I'm obviously ignorant on an academic's processes, so if anyone would like to chime in can they tell us if this is a thing where you have literally dozens of unfinished manuscripts laying about? Is there an angle he's working whereby dropping the notion that he's busy writing manuscripts, but can't seem to *snap* find the time is somehow professional?

- Doc


The nice thing is, he has probably finished a dozen of them. Published them? Oh not likely. But if he isn't at work on anywhere from a dozen to 44 manuscripts all at once, we couldn't get the impression that here we are dealing with one of the most mascho of scholars on the oblate spheroid we inhabit. I mean the man is a machine, a tank, a go getter, an over achiever, a workaholic, and so........ really, everything he says since he reads it all and writes on it all, truly supports Mormonism, the home of vast accomplished intellectuals because the Holy Ghost gudies them in all their endeavors and furnished them with intelligence far above the average scholar of worldly status.

Remember when he was actually bragging about being in Nibley's Egyptian class, and they flew, literally FLEW through Gardiner's Egyptian Grammar, twice in one semster?! From Peterson's view point, this is just totally over the top impressive. From my take, I would have felt ripped off. Why not take a slow TWO years, and really learn the stuff in order to remember it and use it accurately? I mean, after all, how often has Peterson actually used Gardiner in anything he has written?
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Dr. Shades wrote:In FAIRness (heh), I ought to point out again that DCP is, like it or not, a very gifted public speaker. Therefore, reading the talk probably doesn't provide the same experience as listening to it.

Excellent point. If only going by written transcripts of Donald Trump's off-the-cuff remarks you would swear he was a bumbling idiot. Much better to hear his remarks in person and then decide.

Besides, the audience was all pulling for Dr. Peterson so they probably heard a brilliant address.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:This is the single worst talk that has ever been given in the history of Mopologetics.

In FAIRness (heh), I ought to point out again that DCP is, like it or not, a very gifted public speaker. Therefore, reading the talk probably doesn't provide the same experience as listening to it.


Shades,

You could have the great orator Orson Wells read this talk and it would still suck ass!

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Every sic et non blog entry that I documented as plagiarism was originally defined as coming from some version of an 'unfinished manuscript'. After being caught, Peterson would invariably say they were really just notes taken from other people's work, where he accidently forgot that someone else wrote them and therefore he should be excused for posting them as though they were his own words. Over and over and over. Repeatedly.

In that sense, "unfinished manuscript" can only be interpreted as "undocumented notes from non-attributed authors."
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Lemmie wrote:Every sic et non blog entry that I documented as plagiarism was originally defined as coming from some version of an 'unfinished manuscript'. After being caught, Peterson would invariably say they were really just notes taken from other people's work, where he accidently forgot that someone else wrote them and therefore he should be excused for posting them as though they were his own words. Over and over and over. Repeatedly.

In that sense, "unfinished manuscript" can only be interpreted as "undocumented notes from non-attributed authors."


OUCH! What a devastating pattern.
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Dr. Peterson now seems to be saying that Everybody Wang Chung is the author of the offensive emails:

DCP wrote:In my August 2018 remarks at the annual FairMormon conference, I apparently misspoke, identifying my Malevolent Stalker as the most probable candidate for the authorship of those emails. (It’s possible, though not likely, that the transcription of my talk, which is extremely rough, got me wrong at that point.) I’ve long thought, however, that, while the Stalker has plainly been engaged in an oddly focused personal vendetta against me for well over a decade, he’s also too highbrow (in his curious way) to have written such emails. By contrast, his wannabe imitator shares that vendetta or even exceeds him in that department and, significantly, isn’t as bright. Furthermore, his hostility seems more visceral — I have literally no idea why — and there are some distinct and specific thematic parallels between his online comments about me and the contents of the emails sent to me.
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