Migrant Caravan Tears Down Border Fence, Storms Mexico

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Re: Migrant Caravan Tears Down Border Fence, Storms Mexico

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Water Dog wrote:The A-10 is already fueled and ready to go.

Because strafing a column of migrants at your border with gunfire from aircraft would make for such excellent optics. ; )
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Some Schmo wrote:
ajax18 wrote:
How much do you estimate this caravan will improve the standard of living for native born Americans, assuming we let them all in? When do you expect we'll be able to measure the amount of improvement?

37.5% over 5 years.

well either you are ignorant or you just endorsed indentured servitude.
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canpakes wrote:
Water Dog wrote:The A-10 is already fueled and ready to go.

Because strafing a column of migrants at your border with gunfire from aircraft would make for such excellent optics. ; )

Now we're getting somewhere. What kind of immoral person uses people as fodder to advance their politics like this? When someone gets killed, as is likely to happen if not outright part of the plan, I look forward to all of you reacting in the same way you reacted to the Bundy brothers occupying that park headquarters. I'm sure there will be no hypocrisy whatsoever and you'll unhesitatingly and without emotion side with the rule of law.
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Water Dog wrote: What kind of immoral person uses people as fodder to advance their politics like this?


Trump.
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Water Dog wrote:A shame the way the left has to make everything into a confrontation. The A-10 is already fueled and ready to go. Actually what I'd do is put Mexico on notice. Every 100 miles they advance, a border crossing is closed. Until the whole border is shut down, indefinitely.


What you are describing IS a confrontation.

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Kevin Graham wrote:
Water Dog wrote:A shame the way the left has to make everything into a confrontation. The A-10 is already fueled and ready to go. Actually what I'd do is put Mexico on notice. Every 100 miles they advance, a border crossing is closed. Until the whole border is shut down, indefinitely.


What frightened little snowflakes you people are.

And yes, by YOU PEOPLE I'm referring to whiney Republicans who are afraid of their own shadow because it isn't white.

Kevin, its clear you are mostly an intolerant person, and I am willing to admit that some people express their fear, concern, or dislike for illegal immigration in terms of racism....but such broad condemnations are often the result of ignorance or emotion...or both.

So, while you continue to go to the dry well of racism with your over-sized pail - consider that this issue may well be founded on something else.
Now forgive the economy of scale here, but imagine that every week or so a group of illegal immigrants wanted to use your yard to get to a house behind you. They don't really mess with your belongings or property, but occasionally your yard gets worn or the dog barks late at night...no big deal, its just you property is the most convenient route....now imagine that a small group of immigrants arrived at your house. They did not want to live in your house, but rather just in your yard...and let us just imagine that is only 5 people. And most of them wanted to work for that privilege; and for some cash. They would pick up that dog poo you don't like picking up; they would clean your gutters; take your garbage out; and even watch over your house when you take vacations. Mostly completing all those menial tasks that take valuable time away from your more fruitful pursuits. But 1 of them also expect you to modify your lifestyle to accommodate them...learn a little of their language, get them medical care when needed, call a lawyer for them, etc. Nothing you can't accomplish on your way to Best Buy....and heck, you were able to pick up a second job because of your new free time, which helps pay for the yard residents that are now cleaning your pool because your neighbor is too stuck up to clean it for you.

So, why are you adverse to such an arrangement? What makes your front yard any different than the property owners in Texas or Arizona...or any different than the legal residents of America?

I am curious how you extrapolate personal responsibility in this imaginary scenario and the very real national circumstance. I get an idea that the imaginary scenario i describe is really just happening at your neighbor's house and while he complains you sit at your side of the fence yelling at him; calling him racist; and confused at why he won't just let those people live on his lawn.
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Kevin Graham wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:To be honest, and I feel the need to state this publicly because I've been accused of being a racist so many times by our open-minded-tolerant-and-diverse crowd, but I'd let them in. Why? If mf'ers are willing to walk a thousand miles to become Americans THOSE are exactly the types of hardworking and desirous citizens I want contributing to our society.

Let '''em in! Bienvenidos a America, mis hermanos y hermanas!

- Doc


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Why are you confused? This is pretty classic Doc. On most issues, he takes a pretty pragmatic position. On this one, he asks himself what kind of people would he want in America? And people that would go to such extreme effort to become Americans sounds good to him. It’s what puts him at odds with both team left and team right.
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Res Ipsa wrote:Why are you confused? This is pretty classic Doc. On most issues, he takes a pretty pragmatic position. On this one, he asks himself what kind of people would he want in America? And people that would go to such extreme effort to become Americans sounds good to him. It’s what puts him at odds with both team left and team right.

He's exactly right about these folks and their determination. They're walking the equivalent of the AT in flip flops and Crocs, with babies on their backs. Not afraid of a challenge and filled with grit, and passion for their future.

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ajax18 wrote:
Let ''em in! Bienvenidos a America, mis hermanos y hermanas!

- Doc

Mi casa es su casa. Perhaps they could all stay at your place.

I don't think I'd mind that. I already live, I believe, in the most heavily Hispanic neighborhood in SLC proper. The ethnically Mexican neighbors that just moved in next to me are a pretty together family, versus the drug addled White renters that were there before. The Mexican that lives across the street owns his own construction business and is busy renovating homes in the area for White people. Why wouldn't you want that in your hometown?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I don't think I'd mind that. I already live, I believe, in the most heavily Hispanic neighborhood in Salt Lake City proper. The ethnically Mexican neighbors that just moved in next to me are a pretty together family, versus the drug addled White renters that were there before. The Mexican that lives across the street owns his own construction business and is busy renovating homes in the area for White people. Why wouldn't you want that in your hometown?

- Doc

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You are far too practical for racists to relate to apparently. I definitely agree with just about everything you have posted in this thread and I have never considered you a racist. Woman-hating misogynist maybe but definitely not racist :wink:
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