Suspicious packages sent to Clinton, Obama, CNN

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subgenius wrote:as a footnote, Rubio is spot on noting that Trump being critical of the press is not the same as a call for violence. And while you may want to argue semantics with Hillary, hers was a call to action in the context of "survival". And while this may not be a directive for mailing bombs, it shares more qualities with "call for violence" than Trump's tweet. But im sure the fake-bomb maker(s) consulted their dictionary first to ensure they had a clear understanding of what "civil" meant to Hillary.

One can be uncivil without resorting to violence. Go to any Trump rally wherein you can witness the place oozing with non-civil behavior in general without the Trumpkins necessarily bombing each other.

Meanwhile, Dear Orange Leader has pumped out more than a few tweets publicly proclaiming the Press to be “the enemy of the people”. What’s a good little patriot to think about that?
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MeDotOrg wrote:Someone sends pipe bombs to major Democratic politicians, it's a false flag operation? Given the poisonous political climate that has been stoked by the President, I think you have to give credence to the idea that this was probably what it appears to be: A terrorist trying to intimidate Democratic politicians and the media.
You make great points, MeDotOrg and I definitely think it is a high probability that it is an unstable wacko-terrorist heavily influenced by the current rhetoric emanating from President & company. I just think I'm content to not make a complete call until some more facts come forward. I didn't read anyone but WD and Subs as actually suggesting this has to be a false flag.

EAllusion wrote:With the amount of stochastic terrorism going on in in certain circles, it's down right surprising that we don't get more of this. I'm still a little amazed / relieved that Supreme Court justices aren't frequent assassination targets.
It obviously wouldn't be as big a deal nationally but I'm always a little surprised local/county/state politicians don't deal with more of this kind of stuff too. In my community outreach I've dealt with plenty of individuals that carry quite a large chip on their shoulder for their currently bad situations and a lot of that angst is generally directed to local leaders. It seems like the perfect cocktail of low security mixed with deep resentment burning in those that are not exactly mentally stable to create some pretty bad scenarios.
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MeDotOrg wrote:Someone sends pipe bombs to major Democratic politicians, it's a false flag operation?


It could be a right-wing operative pretending to be a left wing operative in order to make it look like a false flag operation. A false-flag-false-flag operation. Since the knee-jerk reaction anymore is to assume everything is a false flag, the next level in conspiracies is to stage false flag operations. My brain hurts trying to live in the world of conspiracy theorists.
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Oh, wow. Now the National Guard is being mobilized for the politics of fear? The left has gone totally insane. There really is no bottom.

https://Twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1 ... 4281079811
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subgenius wrote:as a footnote, Rubio is spot on noting that Trump being critical of the press is not the same as a call for violence. And while you may want to argue semantics with Hillary, hers was a call to action in the context of "survival". And while this may not be a directive for mailing bombs, it shares more qualities with "call for violence" than Trump's tweet. But im sure the fake-bomb maker(s) consulted their dictionary first to ensure they had a clear understanding of what "civil" meant to Hillary.


Basically, <ridiculous quibbling in place of any evidence that Clinton issued a call for violence, which he knows is a lie.>
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Water Dog wrote:Oh, wow. Now the National Guard is being mobilized for the politics of fear? The left has gone totally insane. There really is no bottom.

https://Twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1 ... 4281079811
I know you think this is all a made up hoax but indulge me for a bit. If this is a legitimate threat with someone really trying to send functioning bombs to prominent figures (lets ignore the left vs right distraction for now) via the postal service, what do you think the appropriate response would be? I get that half of this stuff is just security theater but it seems to me providing extra resources to help with quick response, aiding in investigations and whatnot might be a good idea. Particularly since it is likely that if one of these devices goes off it won't be hurting the figurehead it was sent to but instead the public at large.
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Xenophon wrote:I know you think this is all a made up hoax but indulge me for a bit. If this is a legitimate threat with someone really trying to send functioning bombs to prominent figures (lets ignore the left vs right distraction for now) via the postal service, what do you think the appropriate response would be? I get that half of this stuff is just security theater but it seems to me providing extra resources to help with quick response, aiding in investigations and whatnot might be a good idea. Particularly since it is likely that if one of these devices goes off it won't be hurting the figurehead it was sent to but instead the public at large.

There isn't evidence of someone attempting to send functioning bombs. NY Post has a detailed writeup of the bombs. They are for-sure fake. That isn't speculation any longer. There is no ignition system, or even detonation material. It's literally a halloween prop. A pipe with a clock taped to it. There is no danger whatsoever. Now, if there actually were bombs being mailed around, what is having men in fatigues holding M4s standing prominently on street corners going to do about it? Such a bomber did exist recently, in Austin, and the national guard wasn't mobilized over it. Authorities worked the evidence and tracked the wacko down quite easily. You can't argue that this is a reasonable counter-measure, even if the bombs were real. The left is forever ridiculing right-wing fears and paranoia over terrorism, building a wall, etc., and yet they deploy the national guard in response to someone's halloween prank? It's pure theater. Cuomo is using New York state resources, the effing military, to make republicans look like terrorists. I'll also add, it would be humorous to poll those national guardsmen and see which party they are predominately voting for. Imagine if Trump did such a thing. Imagine the howls. If Trump were to declare some kind of emergency, blame threats of terrorism on democrats, and then deploy the military, people would flip out. As they should. That would be very irresponsible to use the military as a political intimidation force. This crosses the line so far. I can tell you, as a veteran and still reservist, this is the kind of thing that undermines the chain of command as well. Guardsmen in NY will not be very happy about being used like this. Not what they signed up for.
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The bombs story may provoke a copycat to mail real bombs Water Dog. I am not suggesting security theater is needed, but the idea that there isn’t now heightened risk is clearly wrong.
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EAllusion wrote:The bombs story may provoke a copycat to mail real bombs Water Dog. I am not suggesting security theater is needed, but the idea that there isn’t now heightened risk is clearly wrong.

Hahaha.
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