Migrant Caravan Tears Down Border Fence, Storms Mexico

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

You’re asking why liberals aren’t honest, while prattling on about how the caravan was assembled by Democrats, and how an A10 is fueled and ready to resolve the issue?

Mm-hmmmm .... : D

The article linked above outlines how Democrat activists are behind Pueblo Sin Fronteras and how they're organizing the caravans.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

It’s because conservative media is a major driver of the coverage choices of mainstream media. They want to talk about the caravan, so wall to wall caravan coverage it is.

I know people like yourself tend to see MSNBC as the left wing Fox, but it’s mostly mainstream news with some center-left pundit shows and moderate conservatives thrown in.

[_canpakes]

You’re asking why liberals aren’t honest, while prattling on about how the caravan was assembled by Democrats, and how an A10 is fueled and ready to resolve the issue?

Mm-hmmmm .... : D

The article linked above outlines how Democrat activists are behind Pueblo Sin Fronteras and how they're organizing the caravans.

- Doc

Doc, it’s not surprising that immigration activists help with organizing groups to do just this. It’s also not surprising that if they have a political alliance it wouldn’t be to Republicans. But this doesn’t equate to ‘Democrats are organizing the Honduran caravan’. That description alludes to a much more involved and far-reaching alliance within this country’s political sphere to do this. Seeing as it may not be politically advantageous for Democrats in general to face this issue anyway, the conspiratorial qualities of that claim are lacking.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Doc, it’s not surprising that immigration activists help with organizing groups to do just this. It’s also not surprising that if they have a political alliance it wouldn’t be to Republicans. But this doesn’t equate to ‘Democrats are organizing the Honduran caravan’. That description alludes to a much more involved and far-reaching alliance within this country’s political sphere to do this. Seeing as it may not be politically advantageous for Democrats in general to face this issue anyway, the conspiratorial qualities of that claim are lacking.

Well, it sure ain't Republicans organizing this caravan. Why must we always dissemble when it comes to people in our Party doing stuff like this? It's literally Democrats doing this.

I don't see the big deal of owning it.

- doc

[_EAllusion]

It’s Democrats organizing it in the same way that Republicans organize neo-Nazi rallies. Outside of the instances in which Republicans literally provide organization for neo-Nazis, are you comfortable saying things like the Charlottesville rally were organized by Republicans? I am not. That’s misleading. It implies that the rally was put on by formal party mechanisms or with the backing of Republican leadership, neither of which were true. A more accurate statement is that they are an ideologically allied special interest.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

It’s Democrats organizing it in the same way that Republicans organize neo-Nazi rallies. Outside of the instances in which Republicans literally provide organization for neo-Nazis are you comfortable saying things like the Charlottesville rally were organized by Republicans. I am not. That’s misleading. A more accurate statement is that they are an ideologically allied special interest.

And yet, Republicans are excoriated and held accountable for those idiots. The moment anyone tries to link Democrats to this caravan all of a sudden we need nuance and understanding.

Gmafb.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

It’s Democrats organizing it in the same way that Republicans organize neo-Nazi rallies. Outside of the instances in which Republicans literally provide organization for neo-Nazis are you comfortable saying things like the Charlottesville rally were organized by Republicans. I am not. That’s misleading. A more accurate statement is that they are an ideologically allied special interest.

And yet, Republicans are excoriated and held accountable for those idiots. The moment anyone tries to link Democrats to this caravan all of a sudden we need nuance and understanding.

Gmafb.

- Doc

Republicans were held accountable for inflaming and defending them to the extent they did. No one forced Donald Trump to do that. No one made Republicans get in bed with the alt-right. If you want to blame Democrats for generally favoring people submitting at the border to apply for asylum, which is legal according to domestic and international law, then yeah, that parallel makes sense. Democrats do generally favor conditions that allow that. They’re not really actively stoking it in the way Republicans are stoking racism because it is bad politics for them, but they might if they could. It does not makes sense to say the caravan was literally organized by “the Democrats.” I don’t recall much, any really, commentary on Charlottesville that said the rally was organized by the Republicans. Its relationship to Republican activism seemed to be placed in its proper context. That that context isn’t positive does not make it unfair to point out.

Sans that framing, this is just a group of people seeking refuge because of the situation in their country. Nothing about it is extraordinary. The coverage is driven entirely by the fact that the Republican Party wants to focus on xenophobia heading into the midterm elections and they got the US media by the nose enough to make that happen.

[_Water Dog]

Doc, it’s not surprising that immigration activists help with organizing groups to do just this. It’s also not surprising that if they have a political alliance it wouldn’t be to Republicans. But this doesn’t equate to ‘Democrats are organizing the Honduran caravan’. That description alludes to a much more involved and far-reaching alliance within this country’s political sphere to do this. Seeing as it may not be politically advantageous for Democrats in general to face this issue anyway, the conspiratorial qualities of that claim are lacking.

ROFL.

"Democrats aren't doing it."

"Uh, yeah they are, see, look, those are democrats."

"Well, well, it's not actually their fault, republicans made them do it, so it's actually not democrats doing it."

Democrats, like women (I repeat myself), are never at fault. For anything.

"it's not my fault I cheated on you. it's because you didn't tell me how beautiful I am. if you had constantly showered me with false praise that I'm not actually deserving of I wouldn't have done it, therefore, it's actually your fault."

[_Water Dog]

It’s because conservative media is a major driver of the coverage choices of mainstream media

Stop trying to make yglesias' moronic "hack gap" thing happen.

Democrats engage in an action. Other democrats report on the action. Misreport I should say. And to you this is Republicans somehow mind controlling Democrats.

[_EAllusion]

It’s because conservative media is a major driver of the coverage choices of mainstream media

Stop trying to make yglesias' moronic "hack gap" thing happen.

Democrats engage in an action. Other democrats report on the action. Misreport I should say. And to you this is Republicans somehow mind controlling Democrats.

His article is on a theme I have talked about here for years, but sure, let’s pretend that’s what I am doing. It’s still true. The dominance of this minor story in the big scheme of things while several major stories are right there languishing is about as clear of an illustration of right wing thumb on the scales as you could hope for.