Migrant Caravan Tears Down Border Fence, Storms Mexico

[_Res Ipsa]

Well, yeah. Obviously he's a Conservative blogger, but that in of itself doesn't mean the information is bad or biased. It's factual in this case. Try not to let your own biases come into play when sorting out facts. This blogger nailed it.

- Doc

My bias is against anyone who portrays himself as a journalist, but displays explicit political bias that is obvious from the language he chooses. I'd have the same reaction if the blog had been leftist and described the New York Times as a right-leaning paper. The obvious bias leads me to be extremely skeptical of his factual reporting and analysis. He may be right, but I'm not inclined to take his word for anything.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

This is such a load of horse crap I don't even know where to begin.

Republicans were held accountable for inflaming and defending them to the extent they did.

This is a typical example of 'going on the offensive'. You'll note Democrats love to always try to put their opposition into a position of being on defense. They'll ignore a factual statement, like the one made above about their involvement in the caravan, and try to re-work the narrative into their favor. This is why it's pointless to actually have a discussion with them. They're impossible to reason with.

No one forced Donald Trump to do that. No one made Republicans get in bed with the alt-right.

Or, like the Democrats and ANTIFA or this caravan, is just an organic response to the political climate.

If you want to blame Democrats for generally favoring people submitting at the border to apply for asylum, which is legal according to domestic and international law, then yeah, that parallel makes sense.

You'll note that EA, in his attempt to re-work reality, conveniently forgest the caravan is breaking laws as we speak to get to the border, and has stated repeatedly they're going to violate US law and just cross the border.

Democrats do generally favor conditions that allow that. They’re not really actively stoking it in the way Republicans are stoking racism because it is bad politics for them, but they might if they could.

There it is. I was wondering how many sentences it would take for EA to shoehorn this in, and then levy the charge. Again. Go on offense!

It does not makes sense to say the caravan was literally organized by “the Democrats.”

You clearly didn't read the article linked above. But whatever. You can't be reasoned with.

I don’t recall much, any really, commentary on Charlottesville that said the rally was organized by the Republicans. Its relationship to Republican activism seemed to be placed in its proper context. That that context isn’t positive does not make it unfair to point out.

Another example of BS. Anyone interested has this magical tool called "Google" and can easily rebut this point. But what's the point? Why would they waste their time on a person who's so in the tank for the Democrats on this issue?

Sans that framing, this is just a group of people seeking refuge because of the situation in their country. Nothing about it is extraordinary. The coverage is driven entirely by the fact that the Republican Party wants to focus on xenophobia heading into the midterm elections and they got the US media by the nose enough to make that happen.

The best defense is offense. Poor, poor, oppressed people just want a shot at the American dream, but that can't because *snap* racists.

I'll state, again, for the record, I'd let them in, but it drives me nuts the tactics Democrats (or "Libertarians" in EA's case) employ. It's a failing strategy that leads to division and chaos. The fact of the matter is we need a better immigration policy, but I sure as “F” don't see anyone on the Left here coming up with a cogent strategy other than, "WAAAAAAH. RAAAAAYCISTS."

damned crazy.

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

He may be right, but I'm not inclined to take his word for anything.

That's fine. I went down the google rabbit hole after reading his report and he's being factual. I, at least, appreciate he's open about who he is and what his aim is. Unlike Leftists, who try to tell us they're impartial and centrist, that blogger is truthful.

- Doc

[_Res Ipsa]

Doc, Democrats have been pushing for immigration reform for a long time, as have been some prominent republicans. They proposed actual legislation that represents better immigration policy.

[_Res Ipsa]

He may be right, but I'm not inclined to take his word for anything.

That's fine. I went down the google rabbit hole after reading his report and he's being factual. I, at least, appreciate he's open about who he is and what his aim is. Unlike Leftists, who try to tell us they're impartial and centrist, that blogger is truthful.

- Doc

If you did the work to independently verify the facts, that gives me more confidence in what the blogger claims.

[_EAllusion]

Doc, the Charlottesville rally is a direct response to the increasing influence and messaging of alt-right politics in the Republican Party leadership. Nazis chanting “blood and soil” in concert with increased overt racism in Republican leadership isn’t shoe-horning in racism. It’s the front and center issue in that case. Still it would be wrong to say “the Republicans” literally organized the Unite the Right rally. Special interest groups, white supremacist orgs mostly, did the organization. That they have ties to the Republican Party and are overwhelmingly pro-Republican doesn’t mean it isn’t misleading to say “the Republicans” organized it. The connection is more complex than that. It doesn’t mean we can’t blame Republican actions in stoking it. People like Ajax worship Trump for a reason.

If you want to parallel this with Democrats and migrant caravans, the parallel is just in the ideologically allied special interest. Democrats really don’t promote the border policy you implicitly attribute to them. Maybe they would if it wasn’t politically toxic, but they don’t. The libertarians and progressives who would prefer vastly more open borders are near completely locked out of representatation and power.

Democrats tend to be sympathetic to asylum seekers, at least compared to Republicans, but virtually none are encouraging overrunning borders.

It’s deeply misleading to say the Democrats organized the caravan. It reminds me of claims that George Soros is “paying protestors” because a centrist think tank that Soros donated to wrote a paper that influenced a protestor to organize a bus ride to a protest. Maybe find a stronger connection than that.

[_Water Dog]

Doc, Democrats have been pushing for immigration reform for a long time, as have been some prominent republicans. They proposed actual legislation that represents better immigration policy.

Haha. They've been pushing for amnesty, a.k.a. the overnight birth of millions of new democrat voters, for a long time. Again, the left cannot be honest about who they are. Just like these democrat senators outed by Veritas like McCaskill. She wants O’Keefe jailed because he dared to reveal her true self to voters.

[_EAllusion]

Haha. They've been pushing for amnesty, a.k.a. the overnight birth of millions of new democrat voters, for a long time. Again, the left cannot be honest about who they are. Just like these democrat senators outed by Veritas like McCaskill. She wants O’Keefe jailed because he dared to reveal her true self to voters.

The last quasi-amnesty proposal from Democrats would have prevented the recipients from voting in federal elections for years. That’s been a standard part of the compromise since forever.

[_Kevin Graham]

Doc, Democrats have been pushing for immigration reform for a long time, as have been some prominent republicans. They proposed actual legislation that represents better immigration policy.

Haha. They've been pushing for amnesty, a.k.a. the overnight birth of millions of new democrat voters, for a long time. Again, the left cannot be honest about who they are. Just like these democrat senators outed by Veritas like McCaskill. She wants O’Keefe jailed because he dared to reveal her true self to voters.

So you basically just lied about what they did, as EA just showed, but according to your logic Ronald Reagan gave millions amnesty because it would secure Republican votes.

[_Res Ipsa]

Doc, Democrats have been pushing for immigration reform for a long time, as have been some prominent republicans. They proposed actual legislation that represents better immigration policy.

Haha. They've been pushing for amnesty, a.k.a. the overnight birth of millions of new democrat voters, for a long time. Again, the left cannot be honest about who they are. Just like these democrat senators outed by Veritas like McCaskill. She wants O’Keefe jailed because he dared to reveal her true self to voters.

So? Doc implied that Democrats weren't trying to do anything about the current immigration situation. The fact that you don't like what they proposed is completely beside the point. The fact that you have a chronic problem with reading doesn't make me dishonest.