No. I don't even think that level of comparison is helpful as it's more important to understand how specific sects practice their faith.
I'm not arguing at this point. I'm just asking because I don't know. How is Islam governed? Exactly what sect did Sinead O'Connor join? Who makes the rules for that sect and what are they?
I don't know what Sinead O'Connor joined. The article I read the same as you didn't talk about it.
Asking how Islam is governed is like asking how Christianity is governed. One, there's so much variety of organization that it's hard to know how to cover that. Two, Muslims, like Christians, tend to have opinions on what the "true religion" is supposed to look like and I don't want to confuse the sociology of Islam with the theology of specific adherents.
There is definitely a lot of misogyny in Islam. That's an inherently negative term and obviously they themselves won't see it that way. I'm not sure what beliefs O'Connor has now. I don't even know if she's Sunni Or Shia. She probably has an Imam that functions similar to how a Rabbi or Pastor does.
No. I don't even think that level of comparison is helpful as it's more important to understand how specific sects practice their faith.
I'm not arguing at this point. I'm just asking because I don't know. How is Islam governed? Exactly what sect did Sinead O'Connor join? Who makes the rules for that sect and what are they?
She posted about her mental illness last year. I suspect she found something in Islam that she feels is helping her with that. It’s not clear to me from what I’ve read that her notion of what it means to be a Muslim fits well with what a traditional Imam would expect.
I don’t believe there is any centralized authority even within the sects. I think it varies from mosque to mosque.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
Are all female converts to Mormonism obviously "nutjobs?" because they willingly submit to Mormon patriarchy?
I don't really think Mormonism is misogynistic.
It's super-misogynist, but this goes to show how people who are friendly to a faith don't necessarily see it the way an outside critic would.
I was talking with a Muslim I know the other day. In his mosque, all men pray in front of all women. This is quite clearly patriarchal with misogynist implications. His explanation for it, though, is that women's modesty is being protected by not having them bend over in front of the men. It's really doing them a favor. This is a very common justification for reduced status of women in misogynist cultures. Women are put on a pedestal to put them in their place. But he told me I could ask any woman in his Mosque and they'd agree. Maybe not everyone, but he's probably right that lots of the woman see it that way too.
It’s not clear to me from what I’ve read that her notion of what it means to be a Muslim fits well with what a traditional Imam would expect.
Do they have a list of baptismal interview questions the way we do in Mormonism for new converts? Or can you just declare yourself a Muslim?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
It’s not clear to me from what I’ve read that her notion of what it means to be a Muslim fits well with what a traditional Imam would expect.
Do they have a list of baptismal interview questions the way we do in Mormonism for new converts? Or can you just declare yourself a Muslim?
You declare yourself a Muslim by declaring that there is one true God (Allah) and that Mohammad is his prophet (Messenger).
The issue of whether anyone has the authority to excommunicate a Muslim is hotly debated within Islam.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
You declare yourself a Muslim by declaring that there is one true God (Allah) and that Mohammad is his prophet (Messenger).
What about within the different sects? You can still be Christian but excommunicated from the Catholic church.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
You declare yourself a Muslim by declaring that there is one true God (Allah) and that Mohammad is his prophet (Messenger).
What about within the different sects? You can still be Christian but excommunicated from the Catholic church.
No idea, sorry.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
You declare yourself a Muslim by declaring that there is one true God (Allah) and that Mohammad is his prophet (Messenger).
What about within the different sects? You can still be Christian but excommunicated from the Catholic church.
The two statements (shahadatayn) in the above declaration are recognised by both Sunni and Shiah as being necessary to make one a Muslim. Basically, once you have made those statements in full knowledge of their meaning and with sincerity, you are a Muslim.
Well, that is the principle ... but of course a Sunni could say of a Shia (or vice versa) that their subsequent practice of Islam is so erroneous that their shahadatayn must have been defective through either lack of knowledge, or lack of sincerity, or both ...
Yup, religions are like that, aren't they?
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
The two statements (shahadatayn) in the above declaration are recognised by both Sunni and Shiah as being necessary to make one a Muslim. Basically, once you have made those statements in full knowledge of their meaning and with sincerity, you are a Muslim.
Well, that is the principle ... but of course a Sunni could say of a Shia (or vice versa) that their subsequent practice of Islam is so erroneous that their shahadatayn must have been defective through either lack of knowledge, or lack of sincerity, or both ...
Yup, religions are like that, aren't they?
Just any Sunni could say that about a Shiah? Do they have any governing body like Catholicism or Mormonism?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
The two statements (shahadatayn) in the above declaration are recognised by both Sunni and Shiah as being necessary to make one a Muslim. Basically, once you have made those statements in full knowledge of their meaning and with sincerity, you are a Muslim.
Well, that is the principle ... but of course a Sunni could say of a Shia (or vice versa) that their subsequent practice of Islam is so erroneous that their shahadatayn must have been defective through either lack of knowledge, or lack of sincerity, or both ...
Yup, religions are like that, aren't they?
Just any Sunni could say that about a Shiah? Do they have any governing body like Catholicism or Mormonism?
Islam is more like Protestantism or Rabbinical Judaism. Shia are more hierarchical than Sunni, but I'm not aware of a Muslim sect that has a Muslim equivalent of a Pope. They do have organizational structures involving ecclesiastical leadership and spiritual leaders in a position of trust, so you could just as well have an Islamic equivalent of a sex abuse scandal.