Religious Hate Crime in Pittsburgh: Eight Dead/four wounded

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EAllusion wrote:It should go without saying, but the idea that wealthy Jews are secret puppetmasters controlling the government and they are using that power to bring in dangerous immigrants to sap the nation's purity and therefore its strength is as quintessential anti-Semitism as it gets. It was a significant inspiration of and propaganda for Nazis.

Media outlets trading in this are pouring poison into people's ears and you cannot have a low enough opinion of them. It's already crazy how far this is spread.

I feel like I'm repeating myself, because I am, but what does this have to do with anything? What does this have to do with the attack? Trump thinks a cabal of Jewish masterminds is mind controlling the world? WTF are you talking about?

And what from this Fox segment is problematic? He didn't say anything about "the protocols of the elders of zion" or anything at all like this. That's you. That's lefty conspiracy theorists. All the "zionist" conspiracy theory primary comes from the left, is obsessed with the industrial military complex that revolves around defending Israel, etc., etc.

This guy refers to lefty organizations who are getting money through the state department. That's true, that happens. He uses the phrase "soros occupied state department." Maybe if we find the full clip he elaborates on what he means by that. My interpretation is that he's suggesting groups affiliated with Soros are benefiting from US aid. That doesn't at all sound crazy to me.

I have worked on several projects with DOD that involved DOS and USAID. I can tell you about absurd projects where hundreds of millions in US taxdollars have gone towards objectively idiotic relief or construction efforts which were naïve at best and thinly veiled money laundering operations at worst.

Examples.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/27/milita ... index.html

https://www.newsweek.com/us-paid-335-mi ... ing-362574

https://www.irinnews.org/news/2018/09/1 ... syria-scam

You guys don't have a clue how the government actually works. Have you seen the movie War Dogs? Please do, it's actually not that far off from reality. It's a fictionalized dramatization of course, but I have personally seen crap exactly like that so many times. So. Many. Times. These federal contracts are there for anyone to bid on and not hard to win. Often the RFP process is just a formality, those on the government side of the equation already have some "buddy" in mind.

Which, in the case of defense things, could be a defense contractor, a major firm, or something else, or in the case of DOS and USAID could be some activist org. Some friend that they went to school with at Georgetown and now they're in Latin America helping with the latest crisis or whatever. The fed isn't going to just hand money over to some random person. They have protocols. They're with some NGO, which isn't some independent unbiased entity.

What do you think Trump wast talking about when he talked about cutting aid money from these countries if they failed to stop the caravan? Why would he cut those dollars off? Because they are going towards activist groups meddling in American politics. Trump isn't going to fund lefty groups who are opposing his own immigration agenda.

How do you think that said money gets distributed? By our own people. The whole thing is politics and bureaucracy from beginning to end. People lobby. People bid. People win. NGOs get funding. Influence is curried and bought. What the hell do you think Benghazi was? That was a massive DOS “F” up. The DOS sticks its nose all up in other people's business under the guise of "aid." The DOS is tied to the hip with all these lefty groups worldwide. The people in DOS all went to the same ivy league schools as the people running these relief orgs. And let me also state, there is nothing "wrong" with that. This social network can be a very good thing. But it can also be a bad and corrupt thing. It's the same with DOD and the "military industrial complex." There is good, and yeah, there is bad.

I don't care that such and such person working overseas on these relief efforts is a lefty liberal that hates Trump or the second amendment or whatever. Couldn't care less. We need people willing to go overseas and do such work. I'm grateful for their efforts. They have big hearts, they really do. And often put themselves in incredibly dangerous situations to accomplish noble things. I'm happy to continue supporting them. So long as they maintain the professional discipline to keep their politics out of it. No different than what I expect from people in any other part of this rotten equation, in the military, in law enforcement, whatever. I don't want activist FBI agents, either. People are just people, and there are turds everywhere. NGOs tend to attract a lot of them.
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Water Dog wrote:I feel like I'm repeating myself, because I am, but what does this have to do with anything? What does this have to do with the attack?


We could talk generally about how anti-Semitic conspiracy theories motivate anti-Semitism and this was an anti-Semitic attack. But more specifically, the reported final straw for this shooter to enter a Synagogue and murder Jews indiscriminately was his belief in this specific "Soros / Caravan" conspiracy theory. It could not be more relevant.

And what from this Fox segment is problematic? He didn't say anything about "the protocols of the elders of zion" or anything at all like this.


So, when you're trolling on behalf of anti-Semitic propaganda, do you ever reflect for a moment and ask yourself, "What am I doing?"
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EAllusion wrote:
Water Dog wrote:I feel like I'm repeating myself, because I am, but what does this have to do with anything? What does this have to do with the attack?


We could talk generally about how anti-Semitic conspiracy theories motivate anti-Semitism and this was an anti-Semitic attack. But more specifically, the reported final straw for this shooter to enter a Synagogue and murder Jews indiscriminately was his belief in this specific "Soros / Caravan" conspiracy theory. It could not be more relevant.

And what from this Fox segment is problematic? He didn't say anything about "the protocols of the elders of zion" or anything at all like this.


So, when you're trolling on behalf of anti-Semitic propaganda, do you ever reflect for a moment and ask yourself, "What am I doing?"

LOL, bro, you just got taken to the woodshed. Own your beating like a man. The only one peddling antisemitism here is you. YOU. No shame. People were just murdered and you're playing “F” “F” games trying to capitalize on it and score points. Talking about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. SMH. If this monster was in fact inspired by those types of conspiracies, then you and your people need a take a long and hard look in the mirror my friend.

1) The man responsible for this heinous and evil act is an actual racist and an actual anti-semite.

2) This man hated and didn't vote for Trump, explicitly in his own words, because he correctly recognized that Trump is neither a racist or an anti-semite.

3) But you people want to spin it against Trump and republicans broadly.

4) In doing so, you are trying to use jews and this act of violence against jews to your advantage. You are the anti-semite in his equation. Not Trump. Not me. Not Doc.
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If Leftists want the GOP to take ownership of these murders (talk about morbid politicking, trying to score political points off the murders of Jews, Jesus) then they better be ready to take damned ownership off atheists murdering students in schools, Che Guevara murdering thousands in violent revolutions, Black people murdering Whites if it's racially motivated, and any other violence that stands in stark contrast to Conservatism when one of their own acts out. Just like with Kavanaugh if the Left wants to play games then it's going to get pretty ugly pretty fast.

I mean, Leftists will NEVER, under ANY circumstance, own the behavior of their rhetoric having influence over the population, but goddamn if they aren't quick to point the finger. Idiots.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:If Leftists want the GOP to take ownership of these murders (talk about morbid politicking, trying to score political points off the murders of Jews, Jesus) then they better be ready to take ____ ownership off atheists murdering students in schools, Che Guevara murdering thousands in violent revolutions, Black people murdering Whites if it's racially motivated, and any other violence that stands in stark contrast to Conservatism when one of their own acts out. Just like with Kavanaugh if the Left wants to play games then it's going to get pretty ugly pretty fast.

I mean, Leftists will NEVER, under ANY circumstance, own the behavior of their rhetoric having influence over the population, but goddamn if they aren't quick to point the finger. Idiots.

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Doc, could you please unpack how atheist rhetoric motivates and atheist to shoot up a school full of kids?
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:If Leftists want the GOP to take ownership of these murders ...


Is it possible to conceive of anybody other than what you call 'leftists' wanting Republicans to acknowledge the large contribution made to empowering and spreading antisemitism in recent years by prominent Republican politicians, including a President who joins in chants of 'Lock [George Soros] up?

This thread is about the shootings at a synagogue in Pittsburgh. Maybe we could stick to that event, and to its social and political roots in the US in recent years?

Of course you want to push this idea of 'If group X wants group Y to take some responsibility for atrocious killing K1, then surely group X must also admit its responsibility for atrocious killings K54, K32 ....' , you could take it further.

How about, for instance 'If there are Jews who want prominent Republican politicians, including a President who joins in chants of 'Lock [George Soros] up, to assume their contribution to the hatred behind these killings, do Jews not first have to admit their responsibility as a group for [Selection of massacres by Jews from the taking of A.I. under Joshua all the way up to recent times']'.

But to do so would be to miss the point, and to dilute the focus of the discussion so far that it would serve little purpose. But maybe that's what you want?
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I'm just laughing at the thought that water dog actually believes he is taking anyone to the woodshed this boy does not know how to debate at all all he knows how to do is quote random Twitter feeds from God knows who.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:If Leftists want the GOP to take ownership of these murders (talk about morbid politicking, trying to score political points off the murders of Jews, Jesus) then they better be ready to take ____ ownership off atheists murdering students in schools, Che Guevara murdering thousands in violent revolutions, Black people murdering Whites if it's racially motivated, and any other violence that stands in stark contrast to Conservatism when one of their own acts out. Just like with Kavanaugh if the Left wants to play games then it's going to get pretty ugly pretty fast.

I mean, Leftists will NEVER, under ANY circumstance, own the behavior of their rhetoric having influence over the population, but goddamn if they aren't quick to point the finger. Idiots.

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Doc, could you please unpack how atheist rhetoric motivates and atheist to shoot up a school full of kids?


I'm personally curious how atheism equates to "leftists."
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