Religious Hate Crime in Pittsburgh: Eight Dead/four wounded

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EAllusion wrote:Fox is well known for refusing to put on content liberals find objectionable, so you're right that that the only explanation for this action on their part is being intimidated into silence by a liberal mob.

This isn't hard math EA. Wacko shoots up a synagogue. Leftists want to make it about conservatives. They do what they do and start harassing the crap out of everybody. I'm sure Media Matters is already phone bombing Fox advertisers. Fox is known for being conservative. You think a multi-billion dollar organization is going to risk an advertising run in order to stop and try to explain the nuances of USAID and NGOs? Give you even more soundbites to mock and spin? Hell no. This is an easy business decision, a no brainer, cut ties with the guy that used the phrase "Soros occupied" regardless of whether he's right or not. They can always invite him back after the rioting is over. I'd disinvite him as well. It's business.

You do this to EVERYONE.

Orson Scott Card. Chick-fil-A.

The VP of a damned soup company. Off with all their heads! Approved Speech Only! We controls all the speeches!

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/27/business ... index.html
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Fox puts on content every day that liberals, and people across the political spectrum really, find appalling. What's different in this case is Fox aired a dead-to-rights example of the conspiratorial anti-semitism that just motivated a major mass murder right after it happened. That kind of thing can hurt their bottom line in a way that mere opposition to their content cannot. If it were as simple as organizing a mob around dislike of Fox content, the channel would've been off the air a long time ago.
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A couple of decades back, I was hired to figure out whether a complaint filed by a "sovereign citizen" against a prosecutor was covered under the county's liability policy. It was a tough problem, because sovereign citizens speak in a code that is like a foreign language. I had to dive in and read a bunch of things published by sovereign citizens to decode the language and figure out what the guy was actually claiming.

In the course of going down that rabbit hole, I stumbled into the Christian Identity movement. And when I was done with sovereign citizens, I went down the Christian Identity rabbit hole. It was eye opening. For those who have never had the privilege, here's Christian Identity in a nutshell:

1. God created only one race -- the white race.
2. The Old Testament people who were God's chosen people are not the Jews. They are the white race.
3. The Jews were created by Satan to destroy the white race.
4. Blacks are "mud people" who are not really human.
5. The white race is superior in every way to all other races.
6. White culture is superior in every way to all other cultures.
7. The white race should not intermingle with the inferior races.
8. A conspiracy of Jews is trying to destroy the white race and white culture.
9. White liberals have been duped by the Jews into becoming race traitors.
10. Immigration of non-white people is a plot by the Jewish conspiracy to destroy white culture and the white race.
11. Multi-culturalism is a plot by the Jewish conspiracy to destroy white culture and the white race.
12. Cultural marxism is an extension of the Jew Marx's plot to destroy white culture and the white race.
13. The United States government is controlled by the Jewish conspiracy, and is commonly referred to as ZOG (Zionist Occupied Government)
14. ZOG is an enemy of white culture and the white race, and must be fought.
15. Whites in the U.S. are victimized by the Jewish Conspiracy and their liberal/leftist collaborators.
16. Those who understand the truth about the races have been bullied into silence by the Jewish conspiracy and their liberal/leftist collaborators
17. Those who understand the truth about the races have been shamed into silence by the Jewish conspiracy and their liberal/leftist collaborators.
18. The culmination of the war between Whites and Jews will be Armageddon, where God's white race will triumph over the evil jews and other races.

So when members of the newly branded alt right chant "Jews will not replace us," The "Jews" are the "Jewish conspiracy." "Us" is "white people." And "replace" means "destroy the white race through immigration or multi-culturalism" What I'm seeing is that rhetoric and conspiracy theories that have thrived in the Christian Identity/Nazi/KKK fringes have been bubbling up into mainstream right discourse. There's a channel that leads from the fringes to places like 4Chan, to Breitbart, to common political discourse. So when the President accuses protesters to the K nomination as being funded by Soros, he's feeding a narrative that the liberal collaborators of the Jewish conspiracy are trying to destroy white culture. Where did a U.S. Congressman get the idea that Soros was funding the caravan? It bubbled up from the fringe right and fed the narrative that the Jewish conspiracy and their white collaborators are trying to destroy the white race through immigration of brown people. When Trump portrays one caravan (out of dozens that have occurred in the past) as being some kind of existential crisis for the United States, he puts the presidential seal of approval on the beliefs of guys like the shooter who see immigration as part of a war between God and Satan, and motivates him to go get his gun to kill Satan's people.
​“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”

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EAllusion wrote:Fox puts on content every day that liberals, and people across the political spectrum really, find appalling. What's different in this case is Fox aired a dead-to-rights example of the conspiratorial anti-semitism that just motivated a major mass murder right after it happened. That kind of thing can hurt their bottom line in a way that mere opposition to their content cannot. If it were as simple as organizing a mob around dislike of Fox content, the channel would've been off the air a long time ago.


You're just doubling down. Repeating it over and over doesn't make it true. I dismantled this argument. Farrell was not pushing any Jewish conspiracies. He wasn't even pushing Soros conspiracies. Which, as has been pointed out already, aren't the same thing. Soros is a Jew like you're a Mormon.
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When you belong to the master race, you gotta have a reason why you live in your Mom's basement.
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EAllusion wrote:When you belong to the master race, you gotta have a reason why you live in your Mom's basement.


This guy lives in his mom's basement?

Christopher J. Farrell
Christopher J. Farrell joined Judicial Watch in 1999 as the organization’s Director of Investigations & Research, and has been a member of the Board of Directors since September 2003. Chris is a native of Long Island, New York. He was a Distinguished Military Graduate from Fordham University with a B.A. in History, whereupon he accepted a Regular Army Commission and served as a Military Intelligence Officer – specializing in Counterintelligence and Human Intelligence. Chris is a graduate of the Military Intelligence Officers Basic and Advanced Courses, the U.S. Army Advanced Counterintelligence Training Course, the Combined Arms Services Staff School of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College, the Defense Intelligence Agency’s Military Operations Training Course, and the Haus Rissen Institut für Politik und Wirtschaft in Hamburg, Germany. He is a specialist in national security matters, specializing in unconventional warfare and terrorism. Following command and staff assignments that included three tours of duty in the Federal Republic of Germany, and one tour at Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe, Chris returned to civilian life as a contractor to the defense and intelligence communities. He also provided management and training consulting services to non-profit organizations, and was active in the establishment of a small, private, co-ed Christian high school where he both taught and served as director. Chris has appeared on numerous national TV and radio shows, and has authored dozens of articles. He contributed a chapter on terrorism to Dr. Irwin Redlener’s book “Americans at Risk” (Alfred A. Knopf: New York, 2006). Chris maintains a busy lecture schedule on both government corruption issues and intelligence matters. He served as a Senior Staff Associate of Columbia University’s National Center for Disaster Preparedness at the Mailman School of Public Health (2005 – 2008). He is currently an adjunct professor at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. Chris is a member of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers; the Society of Professional Journalists; Investigative Reporters and Editors; the OSS Society; the National Military Intelligence Association; and is a constituent member of the State Department’s Overseas Security Advisory Council. Chris serves as the Judicial Watch main representative to United Nations Headquarters in New York.


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All in. If they were raised in Mormon communities instead, not only would they be fair game, their Mormon heritage would be a point of legitimate ridicule and suspicion. McCarthy said not a word about Jewish anything.

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy posted and later deleted a tweet last week that suggested three Jewish, billionaire Democratic donors were attempting to "buy" the 2018 midterm elections.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/28/politics ... index.html
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Water Dog wrote:
EAllusion wrote:When you belong to the master race, you gotta have a reason why you live in your Mom's basement.


This guy lives in his mom's basement?

That was a comment in reference to the Christian Identity movement that was a jab at the group having a lot of people who lack personal success despite their belief in their genetic superiority that they can scapegoat to a Jewish plot.
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Water Dog wrote:All in. If they were raised in Mormon communities instead, not only would they be fair game, their Mormon heritage would be a point of legitimate ridicule and suspicion. McCarthy said not a word about Jewish anything.

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy posted and later deleted a tweet last week that suggested three Jewish, billionaire Democratic donors were attempting to "buy" the 2018 midterm elections.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/28/politics ... index.html


You're probably aware that "Jew" both refers to religious affiliation and ethnic identity in a way that is not true of Mormon.
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Remember when Donald Trump posted this?

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Since he didn't say, "Jews smell bad" and swear a blood oath to Hitler directly in the tweet, I can safely conclude there is no anti-Semitic subtext in this tweet.
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