CNN's bad statistics

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Re: CNN's bad and misleading statistics

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DoubtingThomas wrote:For example

On a more workaday level, according to World Bank data cited by TheGlobalEconomy.com the US ranks an unimpressive 76th out of 180 countries worldwide for female labor force participation.


But the unemployment rate for women is lower than men.
https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cpseea10.htm

So what the hell is CNN trying to accomplish?


DT, I think you are confused. There is a significant difference between the labor force participation rate and the unemployment rate. To be “unemployed” you have to be actively seeking work. A stay at home mom is not counted as unemployed. She is, however counted as not participating in the labor force. So there is nothing inconsistent about US women having a lower labor participation rate than other countries and women’s unemployment rate being lower than men’s. Before lashing out at CNN, you might want to make sure that you aren’t misunderstanding something.
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
It's time for a revolution. At the polls, and in the bedroom. And in our understanding of who women are, sexually and otherwise. Given the tight interweaving of economic and political power with sexual entitlement, female sexual autonomy has never been more urgent, and women's sexual pleasure has never been more political. Let's consider what it might mean to go on a sex strike of sorts -- to get what we want, rather than give what we think we owe others.

Sex and status are linked. Where men have the tightest grip on resources and power, our society (including the women in their lives) will prioritize their pleasure -- and create false narratives about what women deserve, sexually and otherwise. To wit: in 2018, the number of female CEOs of US Fortune 500 companies dropped 25%, to 24 women total among hundreds of men leading industry, tech, manufacturing, and other sectors. On a more workaday level, according to World Bank data cited by TheGlobalEconomy.com the US ranks an unimpressive 76th out of 180 countries worldwide for female labor force participation.

American women, particularly women of color, continue to earn a fraction of the dollar that white men do -- 63 cents for black women; 55 for Native women; 54 for Latinas. Even worse, we are 104th out of 193 countries ranked for female political participation (beaten out by Namibia, Burundi, and Belarus, among others). These numbers are astonishingly low when we consider that the US is the world's largest economy. Those who can't lead or even earn on par must serve. And in America, in restaurants, in businesses, and in bed, it is women who serve men.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/02/opinions ... index.html

So misleading numbers and bad statistics. What is CNN trying to accomplish?


Can you explain why you think these are bad statistics?
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Re: CNN's bad and misleading statistics

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Res Ipsa wrote:DT, I think you are confused. There is a significant difference between the labor force participation rate and the unemployment rate. To be “unemployed” you have to be actively seeking work. A stay at home mom is not counted as unemployed.


Right, there is nothing wrong to be a stay at home mom, and there is some evidence that children do better with stay at home moms. "Almost 47 percent of U.S. workers are women". https://blog.dol.gov/2017/03/01/12-stat ... king-women. So we have a lot of stay at home moms, but almost half of all US workers are women. Where is the inequality?

Res Ipsa wrote:Can you explain why you think these are bad statistics?


American women, particularly women of color, continue to earn a fraction of the dollar that white men do -- 63 cents for black women; 55 for Native women; 54 for Latinas. Even worse, we are 104th out of 193 countries ranked for female political participation


Here

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete ... -same-job/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 1de43f2e60

So what is CNN trying to accomplish with the misleading statistics and numbers?
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DT, what you are referring to is an opinion piece. It’s not news reporting. The author is making an argument and using various statistics to support it. You haven’t shown that any of them are false. For example, she argues that women have a lower status in the workforce by comparing the average compensation is women to men. You accuse her of being misleading, citing only comparison of women and men in the same jobs. But you never explain why the statistic you selected is better than the one the author did. If I were the author, I’d argue that she’s talking about status, and her statistic captures the fact that women are more likely to work in low status jobs. So, the statistic she chose is not only not misleading, it addresses the author’s point better than the one you chose.

You’ve really reacted strongly to this opinion piece. Is it because it has to do with women withholding sex?
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DoubtingThomas wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/02/opinions ... index.html

So misleading numbers and bad statistics. What is CNN trying to accomplish?


Probably presenting different points of view for readers and followers. There is no indication that this particular opinion piece represents cnns propoganda aim. Much less reason to attach all Democrats to it.

from Wikipedia,
"Lysistrata (/laɪˈsɪstrətə/ or /ˌlɪsəˈstrɑːtə/; Attic Greek: Λυσιστράτη, Lysistrátē, "Army Disbander") is a comedy by Aristophanes, originally performed in classical Athens in 411 BCE. It is a comic account of a woman's extraordinary mission to end the Peloponnesian War between Greek city states by denying all the men of the land any sex, which was the only thing they truly and deeply desired. "
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Res Ipsa wrote:DT, what you are referring to is an opinion piece. It’s not news reporting.


I went to CNN to simply read the news. I found that opinion peace in the homepage.

Res Ipsa wrote:You’ve really reacted strongly to this opinion piece. Is it because it has to do with women withholding sex?


Why? and seriously? There is no gender inequality in the US, so trying to end something that doesn't exists by telling women to withhold sex is kind of funny. Most women wouldn't take the author seriously. Women like sex.

I bothers me that CNN is not helping the Democrats. Stupid stuff like "white men are evil" and crazy feminism could hurt Democrats in the midterms. Myths like the gender pay gap need to go away. I expect ____ from Fox News and the Republicans, not from CNN.

Res Ipsa wrote: You accuse her of being misleading, citing only comparison of women and men in the same jobs. But you never explain why the statistic you selected is better than the one the author did. If I were the author, I’d argue that she’s talking about status, and her statistic captures the fact that women are more likely to work in low status jobs. So, the statistic she chose is not only not misleading, it addresses the author’s point better than the one you chose.


Okay, but the author said "basic inequalities". How is that a basic inequality? Explain. And what is the solution?

Res Ipsa wrote:You haven’t shown that any of them are false?


Even worse, we are 104th out of 193 countries ranked for female political participation


See

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 1de43f2e60

and

"Almost 47 percent of U.S. workers are women". https://blog.dol.gov/2017/03/01/12-stat ... king-women
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In 2016, nearly 40 percent of all managers were women, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). But in some management occupations, the percentage of women was even higher than that. The chart shows management occupations in which more than half of workers were women.

https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2017/ ... nagers.htm
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Res Ipsa?
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Res Ipsa, how do we end the misogyny and patriarchy?
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DoubtingThomas wrote:Res Ipsa?


Yes? You’re just doing the same thing: citing different statistics without explaining why yours are more relevant to the ones in the opinion piece. That gives me nothing to actually respond to.
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