Gun Deaths in America

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honorentheos wrote:Interesting to compare the graphs with the period when the Assault Weapons Ban was law (1994-2004).

Nice example, sub, on how gun violence can correlate with the right types of gun control laws. Many thanks!


More liberal lack of thinking skills..... The lower rate has nothing to do with the so-called "assault weapons" that were banned. Look at the actual stats in relation to types of guns used before during and after the ban idiot!

NIL gun violence occurs with the so-called assault weapons, especially with the ones banned before or after the ban.
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subgenius wrote:
honorentheos wrote:Interesting to compare the graphs with the period when the Assault Weapons Ban was law (1994-2004).

Nice example, sub, on how gun violence can correlate with the right types of gun control laws. Many thanks!

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Hi sub,

Curious what you mean by showing me wrong? The OP and the follow-up link are just data. My last comment was to compare the number of people killed by gun between December 14, 2012 and last week with the number of people killed in the defining terrorist attack of this generation as well as the two major wars that resulted from it.

Gun violence is a problem. It needs to be addressed. Responsible gun owners and 2nd amendment rights supporters know how to differentiate between that issue and radical fear of gun control. Whether things aren't as bad as in 1993 or not, when the raw numbers tell us a large number of Americans still die each year from gun-related incidents then there is still work to be done.
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ldsfaqs wrote:
honorentheos wrote:Interesting to compare the graphs with the period when the Assault Weapons Ban was law (1994-2004).

Nice example, sub, on how gun violence can correlate with the right types of gun control laws. Many thanks!


More liberal lack of thinking skills..... The lower rate has nothing to do with the so-called "assault weapons" that were banned. Look at the actual stats in relation to types of guns used before during and after the ban idiot!


Hi faqs,

Thank you! Your post here and in response to Kevin Graham in his No Surprise thread gave me a good laugh. I wish I thought you were joking, but the grown man "I"M GOING TO ASSERT I'M NOT WRONG, YOU ARE!!!!!"schtick is still funny. Insert your own "neener, neener" as needed for effect.
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Seems like a good time to bump this for sobering numbers.
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My state just passed new controls by initiative, including a safe storage requirement. It will be interesting to see the effect on accidental shootings by and of children.
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I wonder if the NRA is still taking Russian money...

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Res Ipsa wrote:My state just passed new controls by initiative, including a safe storage requirement. It will be interesting to see the effect on accidental shootings by and of children.

This has been on my mind recently. One of my sibling's teenage sons took their own life with a gun that was for all intents and purposes properly stored in a family where normal respect for firearms is taught and followed. The gun was in the gun cabinet, ammo stored in a separate location, etc. I had no idea that, other than being a teenager, there was anything going on in his life that would push him to do it. And I couldn't help but wonder how one puts appropriate barriers between a gun and a kid under the influence of one of those mood swings that can hit a kid and knock them down so low they think their life is over such that they can't act on it with time to come back up and appreciate they didn't? I don't know. Obviously a gun safe that only the parents knew the code or combo would have probably deterred it from happening. But those kinds of "if only" take over one's thoughts from all directions...thoughts one does one's best to dissuade a loved one from punishing themselves with in the aftermath.

Anyway, while not exactly about accidental shootings the number of gun-caused suicides are high and undeniably related to ease of access. The experience of looking into the eyes of a sibling who lost a son to suicide is one I'd rather have never had. I wish my dad and mom had all their grandchildren outlive them. It makes the world seem just that much worse touching first hand what so many people left behind feel. I have no idea how I'd hold up if it had been my daughter, honestly. There really are no words.
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honor as someone who has dealt with this issue and all it's residual issues, I am so sorry for your family for all they are going through and what is yet to come.

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Just a thought experiment...

If we removed all of 'X' in America how many Americans would be killed by 'X'?

If we reduced significantly the amount of 'X' in America how many Americans would be killed by 'X'?

That said, this website:

https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topic ... eath-rates

States that 72,000 Americans died from drug overdoses in 2017. If you check out that first slide on the linked page you'll notice a huge uptick of synthetic opioid deaths. I ain't sayin', but I'm just sayin', that crap is coming straight from China. Just because a country isn't pulling a trigger, doesn't mean they're not levying war on us.

Then again I just got back from seeing Beautiful Boy and it's... That movie is going to stay with me for a long, long time.

eta: I guess what I'm saying is we can actually fight a problem that doesn't produce a Constitutional crisis, and which I'm pretty sure all Americans can agree needs to be addressed immediately. If I had to choose I'd cool it with the gun issue and shift attention and resources to this national cancer of drug addiction.

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Jersey Girl wrote:honor as someone who has dealt with this issue and all it's residual issues, I am so sorry for your family for all they are going through and what is yet to come.

You talk about how one might hold up. You don't.

Thank you, Jersey Girl, you've shared your own experience with me before and it's appreciated. If I could pass it on to my sibling in a meaningful way I would. Though I admit my sibling is a thousand times better of a person than I am and gives so much back to others who knew him in ways I'm not sure could. Maybe that's why I wasn't prepared for her expression when I asked how she was holding up...yeah. Hugs and tears are all that's really possible to share I guess.

It made the news conference with the dad whose oldest son was killed in the California shooting more personal to watch, not because I could relate but because it really hit me how much I can't possibly relate or understand what he is feeling yet knowing it is the deepest of pains.
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