Gunnar wrote:I was so proud of my country when we elected our first Black President! I thought maybe we had finally really turned the corner on racism and were seriously beginning to put it behind us.
subgenius wrote:If you, yourself, had turned the corner on racism then the race of your President would be irrelevant. Celebrating "First Black" is inherently the whitest thing you can do.
huckelberry wrote:Subgenius, The shear depth of ignorance presented by this statement of yours is breathtaking. I really cannot believe you have such an ignorant view of what racism is. You must be pretending just to annoy people you view as on the other side of the political fence. Or perhaps more accurately this perversion of what racism is is an attempt to put on a costume to cover any responsibility.
Subby's response is made all the more incomprehensible and foolish if he really is black or part black himself, as he has several times claimed. it's as if his contempt for his fellow blacks equals or even exceeds that of the vilest white supremacists!
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
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canpakes wrote:Tell that to a black person, and let me know their response.
Because you don't have access?...figures
To your personal interactions with black folks? No, but it would be interesting to watch you, as the very pale beige fellow you are, pose the question. ; )
Exiled wrote:Obama was another corporate shill that did their bidding. I hear he is having a time hanging with the Bushes.
Even assuming for the sake of argument that Obama actually is a 'corporate shill', I think you are missing the point. A feminist once said to me 'We shall know that gender equality has arrived when there are as many incompetent and unpleasant women in positions of power as there are men.'
We shall know that racial equality has been achieved when there are as many black politicians who profit from being corporate shills as there are currently white ones.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Exiled wrote:Obama was another corporate shill that did their bidding. I hear he is having a time hanging with the Bushes.
Even assuming for the sake of argument that Obama actually is a 'corporate shill', I think you are missing the point. A feminist once said to me 'We shall know that gender equality has arrived when there are as many incompetent and unpleasant women in positions of power as there are men.'
We shall know that racial equality has been achieved when there are as many black politicians who profit from being corporate shills as there are currently white ones.
Well, the CEOs of Yahoo! and Vice News are certainly doing their best to destroy their respective companies. I have to admit, I find it... Pretty amazing, that that particular feminist's standard for equality is incompetence.
Lol.
You can't make this crap up.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
The aim is to ensure eventually that women and men have equal chances to become (e.g.) CEOs, which at the moment they certainly don't. At present women tend to get top jobs only when they are extreme examples of competence, courage and shining virtue. Some men on the other hand get such jobs by full-time kissing up, kicking down and character assassination. Other factors count for significantly less if they are really good at those skills.
When women are competing in a field where gender is irrelevant, we shall know that when women in top jobs can get there on the same terms as men. And since a significant proportion of male CEOs are frankly nasty pieces of work, then unless you have some naïve belief that women are innately morally superior to men, the rest follows.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Chap wrote:C'mon, DrC! You are brighter than that!
The aim is to ensure eventually that women and men have equal chances to become (e.g.) CEOs, which at the moment they certainly don't. At present women tend to get top jobs only when they are extreme examples of competence, courage and shining virtue. Some men on the other hand get such jobs by full-time kissing up, kicking down and character assassination. Other factors count for significantly less if they are really good at those skills.
When women are competing in a field where gender is irrelevant, we shall know that when women in top jobs can get there on the same terms as men. And since a significant proportion of male CEOs are frankly nasty pieces of work, then unless you have some naïve belief that women are innately morally superior to men, the rest follows.
It's funny. Feminists really seem bent on getting those sweet, sweet 'top jobs'. There are HUGE amounts of vacancies for trade jobs. In fact, I was looking at the situation in California and noticed these nasty pieces of work keeping women out of their industry:
Wake up, sheeple! Women are oppressed!
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Anyway. It's weird for me to see feminists go to bat for the top 1%. If that's not a wake-up call as to their motivations, then I don't know what is.
We. Need. More. Women. In. Infantry.
eta: I just read that a female, the first one, just passed the US Army's Special Forces Selection and Assessment Selection course. I think that's pretty cool. Hopefully she can pass the follow-on Qualification course.
Special Forces Qualification (Individual Training) Small Unit Tactics/SERE (Phase 3) The Special Forces Small Unit Tactics is the third phase in the qualification course. The 13-week program provides Soldiers in the SFQC the apprentice-level tactical combat skills required to successfully operate on an SFOD-A.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
I was of course replying to your comment on what I said about women in top jobs:
Chap wrote:A feminist once said to me 'We shall know that gender equality has arrived when there are as many incompetent and unpleasant women in positions of power as there are men.'
I agree that women should also train for trade jobs. Actually trade jobs as independent workers are great for women who may at some times in their lives not want to work an eight-hour day. If my daughter was not interested in academic studies I'd urge her to qualify as an electrician or a plumber. The great point here is that there are lots of women who would actually prefer to have a woman come to do jobs in their home.
On combat infantry: OK, if they have the physical capacity to run or at least trot with an average weight wounded infantry person over their shoulders, and all the rest of it, why not? But as you know, there are many vital military roles that don't demand large muscle power, and that need filling.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Chap, I'm just bustin' your balls. You know that. I will say that I do think a lot of 3rd Wave (is there a 4th Wave now?) feminists think making in this world is something absurd like this Geico commercial:
You can't really bitch, moan, and complain your way to the top. If women want to secure those top positions, whatever they are, they're going to have to outwork men. The one thing that drives me crazy is the notion that women have to work twice as hard as a man just to get the same whatever. That's BS. If they work twice as hard, and say are twice as productive, their market value is going to be astronomical and they'll crush it.
Whatever the case may be, reading about women moaning about not getting a 1%'er position is really, really off-putting. I'd rather read about women succeeding in in-demand fields that are accessible to a broader population. That's where true equality can be measured.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:The one thing that drives me crazy is the notion that women have to work twice as hard as a man just to get the same whatever. That's ____. If they work twice as hard, and say are twice as productive, their market value is going to be astronomical and they'll crush it.
I agree that hard working women should rationally be in demand as top managers - because when they do get those jobs, it is a matter of fact that companies do better. All-male managed companies do, in general, show that in their bottom lines. (Hold yourself back DrC).
Sadly, companies don't always recruit rationally. The people who do the recruiting are still fixated on the image of the ideal top manager as a tall, silver-haired man. A short brunette woman doesn't cut it in comparison - and the company does not benefit from the talent and dedication she would have brought them. Lose-lose.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
