The Fires go on

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Re: The Fires go on

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Jersey Girl wrote:MeDot there's a thread I started here in Paradis it has "I dare you" in the thread title. There's an org that that is supposed to be supplying respirators. If your masks don't do the trick, check that out. It's going to be in your air for a long time. We get you guys' smoke out here where I live. It'll be coming round to us before long as well.

Masks
Inhaler
Respirator if needed
Sinus rinse
Any antihistamine you have
Add moisture to the air in your home
Keep the windows closed
Check the filters on your heating/cooling system and in your car. They can become overwhelmed. There could easily be a run on car air filters around there--just mentioning.
When you get back home--pull off your clothing right away--all of it-- shove it in the washer store it there for your next wash day and shower.

At the first sign of breathing problems, head to the ER.


Thanks - hadn't thought about changing clothes after spending the day outside, but that makes sense. I don't have to work this weekend, so I plan on spending most of my time indoors. My best friend has a humidifier, I'll probably be hanging out at her place.

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I live right in the middle of California's Central Valley, about 48 miles from Paradise, Ca and 43 miles from Sacramento, and due to the local geography and wind patterns, my city is right in the middle of the worst air quality conditions resulting from the smoke. I hardly dare leave the house because the air is so bad. I miss my regular walks, but I will probably have to suspend them until at least after this weekend. So far, I don't seem to be experiencing any respiratory distress, but I know others who are. At my last rehearsal for the chorale group I sing with, our director's throat and voice were so badly affected that she could barely talk. We hated to see that because she has one of the most beautiful singing voices I have ever heard. She would be a very good contender for AGT (America's Got Talent), and actually sings more beautifully than most of the finalists I have heard on that show. She is not very happy, as she had just recently recovered from nodules on her vocal cords that devastated her voice. Incidentally, her last voice problems that she recently recovered from were also triggered, in part, by smoke from last year's California fires. I hope she makes another full recovery because her singing talent is so outstanding and so important to her that she would rather lose a limb than not be able to sing anymore. If I had her talent, I would feel the same way! She is very well beloved by all of us in the group, and we are all fervently hoping she will make a full recovery.

ETA: As of 2 hours ago (2:22 am PST) the AQI in my town was 205. Yesterday it was as high as 393, so things are beginning to improve.
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and to consider the irony that CA resource management policies banned controlled burning of forests because of environmental arguments about air quality.
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subgenius wrote:and to consider the irony that CA resource management policies banned controlled burning of forests because of environmental arguments about air quality.

CA has been aiming for around 20,000 acres of managed burns per year. Controlled burning isn’t banned.
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canpakes wrote:
subgenius wrote:and to consider the irony that CA resource management policies banned controlled burning of forests because of environmental arguments about air quality.

CA has been aiming for around 20,000 acres of managed burns per year. Controlled burning isn’t banned.

well you pay attention to not that much...Gov Brown brought this up in May of this year...but again, facts are so pesky to you.

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/ ... wildfires/

https://www.kqed.org/science/1927354/co ... re-of-them

the irony stands.
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subgenius wrote:the irony stands.

We could burn down or remove virtually every forested patch in the state, which would dramatically reduce the incidence of fires, but that still won't eliminate them completely.

I suggest that you take a look at a satellite image of the state, and map out all of the areas that you think we should burn now, to eliminate the danger of reduced damage to communities within forested areas. Later we can discuss how that works out in practical terms of access and personnel, and how it is financed, and how we'll keep all of those burns under complete control.

Or, maybe just stick to Trumpist talking points? Because tweeting ignorance is a solution?
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canpakes wrote:
subgenius wrote:the irony stands.

We could burn down or remove virtually every forested patch in the state, which would dramatically reduce the incidence of fires, but that still won't eliminate them completely.

I suggest that you take a look at a satellite image of the state, and map out all of the areas that you think we should burn now, to eliminate the danger of reduced damage to communities within forested areas. Later we can discuss how that works out in practical terms of access and personnel, and how it is financed, and how we'll keep all of those burns under complete control.

Or, maybe just stick to Trumpist talking points? Because tweeting ignorance is a solution?

geez, you're in deep, yet your opinions are still so shallow. The facts don't support your fantasy here. Even Gov Brown has come to the wisdom that eludes your grasp...but alas, your love of 1974 California environmental policy is admidable in its endurance but tragic in its futility.
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subgenius wrote:
canpakes wrote:We could burn down or remove virtually every forested patch in the state, which would dramatically reduce the incidence of fires, but that still won't eliminate them completely.

I suggest that you take a look at a satellite image of the state, and map out all of the areas that you think we should burn now, to eliminate the danger of reduced damage to communities within forested areas. Later we can discuss how that works out in practical terms of access and personnel, and how it is financed, and how we'll keep all of those burns under complete control.

Or, maybe just stick to Trumpist talking points? Because tweeting ignorance is a solution?

geez, you're in deep, yet your opinions are still so shallow. The facts don't support your fantasy here. Even Gov Brown has come to the wisdom that wludss your grasp...but alas, your love of 1974 California environmental policy is admidable in its endurance but tragic in its futility.

OK, so you got nothin’, except to mindlessly repeat inane Trump tweets and invent strange new words like ‘wludss’.

Let me know when you can begin to answer the basic questions that I posed above, so that you can forever ‘fix’ the problem of forest fires.
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canpakes wrote:OK, so you got nothin’, except to mindlessly repeat inane Trump tweets and invent strange new words like ‘wludss’.

Let me know when you can begin to answer the basic questions that I posed above, so that you can forever ‘fix’ the problem of forest fires.

nothin' cept facts and common sense. As for a " fix", the first step is admitting you have a problem and you can't even do that. The irony of your position is spreading faster than embers in a California canyon.
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subgenius wrote:
canpakes wrote:OK, so you got nothin’, except to mindlessly repeat inane Trump tweets and invent strange new words like ‘wludss’.

Let me know when you can begin to answer the basic questions that I posed above, so that you can forever ‘fix’ the problem of forest fires.

nothin' cept facts and common sense. As for a " fix", the first step is admitting you have a problem and you can't even do that. The irony of your position is spreading faster than embers in a California canyon.

The irony here is that you don’t even know what you’re referring to by ‘common sense’.

No one has stated that controlled burns can’t be a part of a coordinated fire suppression plan. You would just like to imagine that someone said so while asserting that the mere existence of an undefined number of controlled burns, placed in an unspecified number of locations, would somehow have prevented this fire from wreaking the havoc that it has.

But you can’t answer how that would work. You only know how to repeat dumbarse talking points from ignorant people. And along with just regurgitating stupid opinions that California’s forest management policies ‘caused’ this fire, you want to remain ignorant of basic realities, such as:

De Lasaux estimated the risk of the controlled burns running wild and burning homes at less than 2 percent.

But some have turned catastrophic, including a 2000 fire set by U.S. Park Service officials in New Mexico’s Bandelier National Monument. High winds whipped the blaze and flames raced through the community of Los Alamos — home to Los Alamos National Laboratory, a nuclear facility and the birthplace of the atomic bomb. More than 400 families lost their homes.

A 2012 burn set by the Colorado State Forest Service southwest of Denver ignited a 6-square-mile (16-square kilometer) wildfire that killed three people and damaged or destroyed more than two dozen homes. Colorado suspended prescribed burns by state agencies for five years and the ban was lifted in October.

Oh, damn. Sometimes, the solution is difficult, and becomes the problem.

Or, sometimes, the problem is more widespread than merely existing within a compact little area that you can ‘controllably burn’:

... the U.S. Forest Service and the state fire agency warned that the threat will remain high even after that blaze is put out because of an estimated 129 million trees that died in California over the last year from drought and beetle infestation.

Maybe you think that all of those trees are conveniently located in the same stand so that they can be neatly eliminated in a few controlled burns, right?

Or, sometimes the problem is caused by bad actors that will just find a burnable patch of forest to ignite in spite of your best efforts to eliminate threats with controlled burns:

A study published in 2017 in the journal PNAS found that, at the national level, debris burning is responsible for 29 percent of wildfires and arson causes 21 percent of fires.


Trump’s comment is based on a simpleton’s approach to the situation, and your repetition of stupid ideological BS and the claim that this fire would somehow not exist if California would just “do more controlled burns” is not an example of ‘common sense’. As for that irony that you keep mentioning, it manifests as you being unaware of just how moronic your position is.
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