Libertarian Judge strikes down law against FGM

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Libertarian Judge strikes down law against FGM

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A federal judge is facing a public outcry after he threw out federal charges against several Muslims who are suspected of cutting girls’ genitals to minimize future sexual desires.

“Outrageous,” said a tweet from Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a U.S.-based advocate, who was born in Somalia and underwent Somalia’s severe form of the Islamic practice, dubbed FGM for Female Genital Mutilation. “Cutting girls genitals is a crime and must be prosecuted,” she added.

“Wait! What? Judge dismisses key charges in genital mutilation case,” said a tweet from Trump supporter Katrina Pierson: “I had no idea that we needed laws against #FGM in the United States.”

“Congress can regulate every aspect of your life but it can’t regulate FGM,” commented Dan Horowitz, the editor of Conservative Review and a determined critic of over-powerful courts. “Folks, we are done.”

The judge’s decision may end the Detroit trial unless it is reversed on appeal. The Muslim defendants cannot be charged in the state because the state’s anti-FGM law was passed after their arrest. State officials may charge the defendants with other crimes, such as sexual assault.

The Detroit Free Press reported:

“Oh my God, we won!,” declared Shannon Smith, [defendent Jumana] Nagarwala’s lawyer, who expects the government to appeal. “But we are confident we will win even if appealed.”

Smith has maintained all along that her client did not engage in FGM.

“Dr. Nagarwala is just a wonderful human being. She was always known as a doctor with an excellent reputation,” Smith said. “The whole community was shocked when this happened. She’s always been known to be a stellar doctor, mother, person.”
In the Detroit case, Dr. Jumana Nagarwala’s parents come from a Muslim community in Northern India. She earned her medical degree with American doctors at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in 1998, and she displays her allegiance by wearing an Islamic head-covering. In Detroit, she worked at the Henry Ford Medical Group.

The judge is a libertarian nominated by President Ronald Reagan. He has tried to strike down laws protecting marriage as a dual-sex institution and also the University of Michigan’s race-based student-selection process. In this FGM case, he argues that it is too small an industry to be recognized as an interstate practice that can be governed by the federal constitution. But, he added, FGM can be outlawed and punished in state law.

He wrote:

Congress had no authority to pass this [anti-FGM] statute under either the Necessary and Proper Clause or the Commerce Clause.

That clause permits Congress to regulate activity that is commercial or economic in nature and that substantially affects interstate commerce either directly or as part of an interstate market that has such an effect. The government has not shown that either prong is met. There is nothing commercial or economic about FGM. As despicable as this practice may be, it is essentially a criminal assault, just like the rape at issue in Morrison. Nor has the government shown that FGM itself has any effect on interstate commerce or that a market exists for FGM beyond the mothers of the nine victims alleged in the third superseding indictment. There is, in short, no rational basis to conclude that FGM has any effect, to say nothing of a substantial effect, on interstate commerce.
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As the Supreme Court has stated, “[a] criminal act committed wholly within a State ‘cannot be made an offence against the United States, unless it have some relation to the execution of a power of Congress, or to some matter within the jurisdiction of the United States.’” … For the reasons stated above, the Court concludes that Congress had no authority to enact 18 U.S.C. § 116(a) under either grant of power on which the government relies. Therefore, that statute is unconstitutional.

On April 27, the FBI promised to suppress the practice of FGM which has been brought into the United States by the federal government’s policy of stoking the economy with cheap imported labor and consumers. “The allegations detailed in today’s criminal complaint are disturbing,” Special Agent in Charge David Gelios said. “The FBI, along with its law enforcement partners, are committed to doing whatever necessary to bring an end to this barbaric practice and to ensure no additional children fall victim to this procedure.”

Breitbart News has covered the FGM case extensively.

https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2 ... n-charges/

Just curious as to where our feminist social justice warriors stand on this issue.
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ajax18 wrote:Just curious as to where our feminist social justice warriors stand on this issue.

Why not start by saying where you stand and why.
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When you say "this issue," do you mean FGM? I am sure everyone is against this barbaric practice. The judge was too. He merely said that the prosecutors used an unconstitutional statute, in his mind, to charge the perps. So, the case is really about federalism and its reach in the judge's mind and not about FGM.
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ajax18 wrote:Just curious as to where our feminist social justice warriors stand on this issue.

If you're talking about FGM, I'm pretty sure everyone is against it with the exception of socially conservative people from certain cultures.
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I fail to see where the judge struck down any law, contra the title of this thread.
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Dr. Shades wrote:I fail to see where the judge struck down any law, contra the title of this thread.


The judge ruled that the relevant statute against FGM was unconstitutional, thereby striking it down. https://www.scribd.com/document/393706333/Judge-dismisses-several-charges-in-FGM-case#from_embed?campaign=SkimbitLtd&ad_group=88890X1542029X2d962ab9fdfed6f090e5e69d67146505&keyword=660149026&source=hp_affiliate&medium=affiliate

This doesn't mean that the law doesn't have an effect in other jurisdictions or in the circuit where this judge resides. At this point, the judge merely opined that he doesn't approve of congress enacting a law like this one and used his power to strike it down in his court. The government will appeal and the appellate court could always disagree with this judge and overturn his decision. Also, other federal jurisdictions could rule differently than this judge and other appellate courts could hold differently. If, for example, one circuit court or a group of circuits side with this judge and other circuits side against, the Supreme Court may take the issue on cert and finally decide whether the law against FMG is constitutional or not.

Under the constitution, the police power is generally reserved for the states https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_power_%28United_States_constitutional_law%29. Libertarians like to limit federal power and see the commerce clause as an area where Congress abuses state's rights under the 10th amendment. This judge apparently sides with that libertarian philosophy.
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If you're talking about FGM, I'm pretty sure everyone is against it with the exception of socially conservative people from certain cultures.


Should FGM be illegal in the United States or should it be tolerated due to freedom of religion? Remember this is the Muslim religion (a protected minority) unlike the Mormon religion. So the same standards don't apply to each.
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ajax18 wrote:
If you're talking about FGM, I'm pretty sure everyone is against it with the exception of socially conservative people from certain cultures.


Should FGM be illegal in the United States or should it be tolerated due to freedom of religion? Remember this is the Muslim religion (a protected minority) unlike the Mormon religion. So the same standards don't apply to each.

What particular aspects of the Mormon religion are you wanting to exercise but are not allowed to do so by law?

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ajax18 wrote:
If you're talking about FGM, I'm pretty sure everyone is against it with the exception of socially conservative people from certain cultures.


Should FGM be illegal in the United States or should it be tolerated due to freedom of religion? Remember this is the Muslim religion (a protected minority) unlike the Mormon religion. So the same standards don't apply to each.


Of course it should be illegal. Fortunately, we live in a country where man's laws supercede "god's laws".
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I don't see how a rational person would support FGM and courts would not uphold sexual assault as a basis of a religion or at least courts shouldn't. This reminds me of the prisoner cases and freedom of religion. A group of prisoners started the church of steak and required that they have a steak dinner as their sacrament every sunday. They sued and lost. The prisoner case regarding the church of peyote lost too. It seems that there are limits to freedom of religion requests and FGM is a good candidate to be on the other side of the line if it ever became an issue for a court to decide under the guise of freedom of religion.
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