A Matter of Trust

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_Themis
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Exiled wrote:Maybe breaking up the media and cable monopolies is the answer? If more voices are heard, perhaps it would be less of us v. them, Fox v. MSNBC/CNN and less propaganda?


I think this is a good step. One other area that needs addressed is social media. Not sure how to stop many bad actors who know how to use it to manipulate the masses.
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subgenius wrote:you established that with your earlier post, any other likes you want to share?

Sure!
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The only answer I got is that it doesn't work without their propagandistic media propping them up and the key is cripple that, but I have no idea how.


Perhaps we could make EAllusion comptroller of the National Socialist Media Regulation industry? And get rid of that pesky document written by privileged white male slave holders.
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canpakes wrote:
subgenius wrote:you established that with your earlier post, any other likes you want to share?

Sure!

Cool beans, I have something else to look forward to learning on this board.
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subgenius wrote:Cool beans, I have something else to look forward to learning on this board.

Well, there’s a lot to tackle there, but the community here is glad to help you.
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ajax18 wrote:Perhaps we could make EAllusion comptroller of the National Socialist Media Regulation industry? And get rid of that pesky document written by privileged white male slave holders.


If I thought the answer was censorship, then I'd know how. Also, you are the one who regards national socialism as good, remember? The national socialists like censorship of media. So do your current political idols. They keep talking about how they want to do that because they want to do that.
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Themis wrote:
Exiled wrote:Maybe breaking up the media and cable monopolies is the answer? If more voices are heard, perhaps it would be less of us v. them, Fox v. MSNBC/CNN and less propaganda?


I think this is a good step. One other area that needs addressed is social media. Not sure how to stop many bad actors who know how to use it to manipulate the masses.


Doesn't it come down to critical thinking education? This worked to get us out of Mormonism and can work getting people out of political dogmas and political group think.
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Exiled wrote:Doesn't it come down to critical thinking education? This worked to get us out of Mormonism and can work getting people out of political dogmas and political group think.


Most get little to no critical thinking education. I think it would be good for more of it to be taught in schools, but that could be hard to get that in the curriculum, and how do you educate the masses of adults who have little to none like ajax? Most of my critical thinking skills/education did not happen until university, and that tended to happen more in the sciences. None of my family have this education even though most of them do have different forms of post high school education. Does that help explain why I am the only one who recognizes that Joseph Smith made it all up? They also tend to be science deniers with things like evolution and climate change.
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“Even when directly confronted with facts that disconfirm our beliefs, we don’t let facts get in the way... we just want to think well of ourselves and feel that the narrative of our life story is a positive one. Being wrong doesn’t fit into that narrative. If we think of beliefs as only 100% right or 100% wrong, when confronting new information that might contradict our belief, we have only two options:

(a) make the massive shift in our opinion of ourselves from 100% right to 100% wrong, or

(b) ignore or discredit the new information.

It feels bad to be wrong, so we choose (b). Information that disagrees with us is an assault on our self-narrative. We’ll work hard to swat that threat away. On the flip side, when additional information agrees with us, we effortlessly embrace it.”

Excerpt From Thinking in Bets Annie Duke

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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Themis wrote:Most get little to no critical thinking education. I think it would be good for more of it to be taught in schools, but that could be hard to get that in the curriculum ...


One problem might be that there would be a large number of people out there who would call even a mild dose of critical thinking 'indoctrinating kids in atheism and leftism'. And they get elected to school boards.

It's not at all popular with parents when they find their children ask questions about the beliefs they have been inculcated with during their upbringing. Worse, if the parents find the questions are disquietingly difficult to answer satisfactorily - as important questions usually are.

Remember what a jury of his peers did to Socrates for that kind of thing?

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