
Trump is Lawless on the Border
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Trump is Lawless on the Border
Current federal law (implemented in 1980 to bring us into compliance with international law we accepted back in 1951) allows anyone within US borders to request asylum upon entry whether they presented legally at a point of entry or entered illegally. Trump tried to implement a law automatically denying asylum to those entering illegally and a federal judge issued a restraining order, declaring his law an illegal attempt to circumvent federal law. Make no mistake: Trump is directly and knowingly violating the law in an effort to stoke the fires of ethnonationalism, and the below are among the many victims of his bigoted lawlessness. No one who barks that we are a nation of laws has a leg to stand on regarding support of the Trump administration. He has flagrantly flouted the law since before he was even elected.


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Re: Trump is Lawless on the Border
I feel bad for them in that the residents of Tijuana have been hostile toward them and have been harassing them. Ugh.
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Re: Trump is Lawless on the Border
How can he legally be stopped from doing this crap?
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Re: Trump is Lawless on the Border
What about the part of the immigrants storming the fences are attempting to tear them up?
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Re: Trump is Lawless on the Border
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I feel bad for them in that the residents of Tijuana have been hostile toward them and have been harassing them. Ugh.
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Sarcasm noted. You don't feel bad for people you call "invaders."
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Re: Trump is Lawless on the Border
And you don't care about children being used as props for your hateful Leftist agenda. Sickening.
eta: In KG's world people who reject asylum and then try to bum rush a sovereign nation's borders aren't invaders, but model candidates for citizenship. Holy. “F”.
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eta: In KG's world people who reject asylum and then try to bum rush a sovereign nation's borders aren't invaders, but model candidates for citizenship. Holy. “F”.
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: Trump is Lawless on the Border
I love a good reasonable doubt:
Note the following un-cropped image from Kevin's OP on this thread:

Note smoke going downwind from fleeing mother and children, camera on tripod, people standing around, etc....but hey, 1 way to not get gassed is to stay away from the guys throwing rocks at border security and head for the legal entry point.
Let us all now wait for Kevin to call for Obama's prosecution for doing the exact same thing at the border ....several times.
The same tear-gas agent that the Trump administration is taking heat for deploying against a border mob this weekend is actually used fairly frequently — including more than once a month during the later years of President Barack Obama’s administration, according to Homeland Security data.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection has used 2-chlorobenzylidene malononitrile, or CS, since 2010, and deployed it 26 times in fiscal 2012 and 27 times in 2013. The use dropped after that, but was still deployed three times in 2016, Mr. Obama’s final full year in office.
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Border authorities also use another agent, pepper spray, frequently — including a decade-high record of 151 instances in 2013, also under Mr. Obama.
(emphasis mine)
and this last point isn't so much a point of whataboutism but rather is Kevinshutupismbecauseyoudontknowwhatyouraretalkingaboutism.
Note the following un-cropped image from Kevin's OP on this thread:

Note smoke going downwind from fleeing mother and children, camera on tripod, people standing around, etc....but hey, 1 way to not get gassed is to stay away from the guys throwing rocks at border security and head for the legal entry point.
Let us all now wait for Kevin to call for Obama's prosecution for doing the exact same thing at the border ....several times.
The same tear-gas agent that the Trump administration is taking heat for deploying against a border mob this weekend is actually used fairly frequently — including more than once a month during the later years of President Barack Obama’s administration, according to Homeland Security data.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection has used 2-chlorobenzylidene malononitrile, or CS, since 2010, and deployed it 26 times in fiscal 2012 and 27 times in 2013. The use dropped after that, but was still deployed three times in 2016, Mr. Obama’s final full year in office.
[…]
Border authorities also use another agent, pepper spray, frequently — including a decade-high record of 151 instances in 2013, also under Mr. Obama.
(emphasis mine)
and this last point isn't so much a point of whataboutism but rather is Kevinshutupismbecauseyoudontknowwhatyouraretalkingaboutism.
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Re: Trump is Lawless on the Border
Well subgenius has gone full Alex Jones now and Doc has degenerated to levels of stupidity that make it easy for him to just tag along for the ride.

Was the ‘Illegal Alien Mom with Kids’ Photograph Staged?
Chaos erupted in Tijuana, Mexico, on 25 November 2018 when U.S. Border Patrol agents unleashed tear gas on migrants near a major border crossing point. And as per usual, that chaos prompted opportunistic purveyors of misinformation to swing into action.
That misinformation was based on a marked-up picture taken by a Reuters photographer that shows Maria Meza, a 39-year-old migrant from Honduras, clinging to her small children and running away from a tear gas canister fired by U.S. Border Patrol agents. The wrenching photograph prompted public outrage, but some commenters, including the notoriously unreliable Gateway Pundit website, seized the opportunity to falsely claim the picture was a hoax, drawing that conclusion from the fact that other photographers could be seen in the frame:
This assertion of a “hoax” appears to be nothing more than a case of apophenia — the perception of connections between unrelated events that creates an imagined pattern. The fact that other photographers were taking pictures of people who were not affected by the canister Meza and her children were fleeing from has no bearing on the veracity of the photograph depicting their plight.
Meza and thousands of other migrants had traveled through Central America and Mexico with a caravan that originated in Honduras in mid-October 2018. Since arriving in Tijuana, the migrants had been housed inside a makeshift refugee encampment at Benito Juarez Stadium near the U.S.-Mexico border. Most were in a state of limbo as they awaited their chance to plead their asylum cases before U.S. immigration authorities.
The frustration and despair at Benito Juarez Stadium led hundreds of people to demonstrate on the Sunday morning following Thanksgiving in November 2018. Although the protest started peacefully, Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) stated that some protesters broke away from the main group and attempted to breach the border fence, while several others hurled solid objects. In response to this disruption, Border Patrol deployed tear gas against the perpetrators.
The original photograph of Meza and her toddlers fleeing a tear gas canister hissing behind them was taken by Reuters photojournalist Kim Kyung-Hoon:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ds7h97RWkAIPUrC.jpg
A second image captured by the same photographer showed one of Meza’s diaper-clad, barefoot children clasping her hand and and crying after the experience:
Although Reuters is a non-partisan and highly reliable news agency, viral conspiracy site Gateway Pundit unfortunately but unsurprisingly chose not to promote documented reality. Instead, they went with a marked-up image posted by an anonymous Twitter user and ran a false headline proclaiming “Hoaxed: The ‘Illegal Alien Mom with Barefoot Kids’ Photo was a Setup – Another Staged #FakeNews Production.”
“The woman with the children was just a photo-op,” declared Gateway Pundit. To come to this conclusion, Gateway Pundit pointed out that other photographers could be seen in the background of the shot taking pictures of their own: “In the background of the picture a group of men are posing for one camera man and another is running towards another camera man. In other areas, people are just standing around.”
We asked Gateway Pundit founder Jim Hoft whether he had any evidence the photograph was staged other than the presence of other photographers in the background and how he knew Meza’s immigration status in Mexico (since his piece referred to her as an “illegal alien”). We received no response to our questions.
However, Customs and Border Protection confirmed that Border Patrol agents shot tear gas at caravan migrants near the El Chaparral port of entry because protesters were throwing objects and attempting unauthorized entry into the U.S.:
In a follow-up statement, CBP again confirmed that agents had addressed attempts to breach the border fence and protesters’ throwing objects “with presence and less-lethal device deployments” at the San Ysidro and El Chaparral ports of entry, with a spokesperson stating:
Border authorities shut down traffic in both directions at the busy port for several hours as a result of the incident.
BuzzFeed News tracked down Meza, who said in an interview that she didn’t try to cross the border but was merely standing near the fence observing what was happening with other caravan migrants when tear gas canisters were launched in her direction. “I thought my kids were going to die with me because of the gas we inhaled,” she told BuzzFeed.
Gateway Pundit has been sued for defamation for wrongly identifying an innocent person as the driver of a car that ran down counter-demonstrators at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville in 2017. More recently, Gateway Pundit was forced to retract a story falsely accusing U.S. Department of Justice Special Counsel Robert Mueller of sexual assault after those accusations were shown to be fraudulent.

Was the ‘Illegal Alien Mom with Kids’ Photograph Staged?
Chaos erupted in Tijuana, Mexico, on 25 November 2018 when U.S. Border Patrol agents unleashed tear gas on migrants near a major border crossing point. And as per usual, that chaos prompted opportunistic purveyors of misinformation to swing into action.
That misinformation was based on a marked-up picture taken by a Reuters photographer that shows Maria Meza, a 39-year-old migrant from Honduras, clinging to her small children and running away from a tear gas canister fired by U.S. Border Patrol agents. The wrenching photograph prompted public outrage, but some commenters, including the notoriously unreliable Gateway Pundit website, seized the opportunity to falsely claim the picture was a hoax, drawing that conclusion from the fact that other photographers could be seen in the frame:
This assertion of a “hoax” appears to be nothing more than a case of apophenia — the perception of connections between unrelated events that creates an imagined pattern. The fact that other photographers were taking pictures of people who were not affected by the canister Meza and her children were fleeing from has no bearing on the veracity of the photograph depicting their plight.
Meza and thousands of other migrants had traveled through Central America and Mexico with a caravan that originated in Honduras in mid-October 2018. Since arriving in Tijuana, the migrants had been housed inside a makeshift refugee encampment at Benito Juarez Stadium near the U.S.-Mexico border. Most were in a state of limbo as they awaited their chance to plead their asylum cases before U.S. immigration authorities.
The frustration and despair at Benito Juarez Stadium led hundreds of people to demonstrate on the Sunday morning following Thanksgiving in November 2018. Although the protest started peacefully, Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) stated that some protesters broke away from the main group and attempted to breach the border fence, while several others hurled solid objects. In response to this disruption, Border Patrol deployed tear gas against the perpetrators.
The original photograph of Meza and her toddlers fleeing a tear gas canister hissing behind them was taken by Reuters photojournalist Kim Kyung-Hoon:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ds7h97RWkAIPUrC.jpg
A second image captured by the same photographer showed one of Meza’s diaper-clad, barefoot children clasping her hand and and crying after the experience:
Although Reuters is a non-partisan and highly reliable news agency, viral conspiracy site Gateway Pundit unfortunately but unsurprisingly chose not to promote documented reality. Instead, they went with a marked-up image posted by an anonymous Twitter user and ran a false headline proclaiming “Hoaxed: The ‘Illegal Alien Mom with Barefoot Kids’ Photo was a Setup – Another Staged #FakeNews Production.”
“The woman with the children was just a photo-op,” declared Gateway Pundit. To come to this conclusion, Gateway Pundit pointed out that other photographers could be seen in the background of the shot taking pictures of their own: “In the background of the picture a group of men are posing for one camera man and another is running towards another camera man. In other areas, people are just standing around.”
We asked Gateway Pundit founder Jim Hoft whether he had any evidence the photograph was staged other than the presence of other photographers in the background and how he knew Meza’s immigration status in Mexico (since his piece referred to her as an “illegal alien”). We received no response to our questions.
However, Customs and Border Protection confirmed that Border Patrol agents shot tear gas at caravan migrants near the El Chaparral port of entry because protesters were throwing objects and attempting unauthorized entry into the U.S.:
Today, several migrants threw projectiles at the agents in San Diego. Border Patrol agents deployed tear gas to dispel the group because of the risk to agents' safety. Several agents were hit by the projectiles. The situation is evolving and a statement is forthcoming.
In a follow-up statement, CBP again confirmed that agents had addressed attempts to breach the border fence and protesters’ throwing objects “with presence and less-lethal device deployments” at the San Ysidro and El Chaparral ports of entry, with a spokesperson stating:
This group ignored law enforcement agencies in Mexico and assaulted U.S. Federal Officers and Agents assigned to respond to the situation in San Diego. As a response to the assaults and to defuse this dangerous situation, trained CBP personnel employed less-lethal devices to stop the actions of assaultive individuals attempting to break into the U.S.
Border authorities shut down traffic in both directions at the busy port for several hours as a result of the incident.
BuzzFeed News tracked down Meza, who said in an interview that she didn’t try to cross the border but was merely standing near the fence observing what was happening with other caravan migrants when tear gas canisters were launched in her direction. “I thought my kids were going to die with me because of the gas we inhaled,” she told BuzzFeed.
Gateway Pundit has been sued for defamation for wrongly identifying an innocent person as the driver of a car that ran down counter-demonstrators at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville in 2017. More recently, Gateway Pundit was forced to retract a story falsely accusing U.S. Department of Justice Special Counsel Robert Mueller of sexual assault after those accusations were shown to be fraudulent.
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Re: Trump is Lawless on the Border
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:And you don't care about children being used as props for your hateful Leftist agenda. Sickening.
eta: In Kevin Graham's world people who reject asylum and then try to bum rush a sovereign nation's borders aren't invaders, but model candidates for citizenship. Holy. ____.
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They didn't bum rush a border you dumb “F”. They arrived days ago and have been waiting to enter so they can apply for asylum, and yes, a relatively few idiots got frustrated and started throwing rocks or whatever but that doesn't negate the fact that the Trump administration broke the law by refusing to allow them to apply for asylum. Trump doesn't care about the rule of law any more than you or the idiots on the Right babbling about a staged hoax.
Maybe you should try to educate yourself for once in your life instead of just feeding off google clips here and there of crap that confirms the dumb crap you prefer to believe.
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Re: Trump is Lawless on the Border
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Let us all now wait for Kevin to call for Obama's prosecution for doing the exact same thing at the border ....several times.
The same tear-gas agent that the Trump administration is taking heat for deploying against a border mob this weekend is actually used fairly frequently — including more than once a month during the later years of President Barack Obama’s administration, according to Homeland Security data.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection has used 2-chlorobenzylidene malononitrile, or CS, since 2010, and deployed it 26 times in fiscal 2012 and 27 times in 2013. The use dropped after that, but was still deployed three times in 2016, Mr. Obama’s final full year in office.
[…]
Border authorities also use another agent, pepper spray, frequently — including a decade-high record of 151 instances in 2013, also under Mr. Obama.
(emphasis mine)
and this last point isn't so much a point of whataboutism but rather is Kevinshutupismbecauseyoudontknowwhatyouraretalkingaboutism.
Substupid is so illiterate he thinks this thread is about breaking the law via tear gas? Of course he is.
No, Obama didn't block people from applying for asylum. And he didn't authorize lethal force for throwing rocks. This thread never said anything about the illegality of tear gas.
This "but Obama" gambit is one you simply can't let go of huh?