Trump is Lawless on the Border

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Re: Trump is Lawless on the Border

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Jersey Girl wrote:Taking a step back...Kevin let me reframe my basic inquiry in a way that I think you'll better understand what I'm trying to find out. What's left of my brain to yours.

What the ____ do you think the ____ Trump adminstration should do RIGHT ____ NOW when faced with upwards of 5 thousand ____ refugees trying to get across the goddamn border at one ____ time?

Right now. Real time.


Like I said before, via cinepro's response:

Same thing they always did before. Not break the law.

Is this too much to ask?


If Trump can send troops in real time, he can send in more case workers in real time as well. We've had over a month to prepare for this and it should have already been done.

And no, 5,000 people are not trying to breach the border as we speak. There were 100 or so people who did that which instigated the tear gassing. They represent a tiny fraction of the whole and this they did after weeks of being blocked from doing what they are permitted to do BY LAW. They can expect to wait for processing as other have in the past and sometimes that takes a few weeks, but when the PResident goes to the media and declares the border effectively shut down, then that would explain why a relative few got frustrated enough to throw rocks, climb the wall, or whatever.
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Re: Trump is Lawless on the Border

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Jersey Girl wrote:
You are wasting my time. I have made my questions more specific. How about use that brain in that pretty little head of yours that sits atop mount muscles for days to come up some you know, ideas?


Jesus H. Christ, you're bitching about me not responding as I'm typing a response.
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Re: Trump is Lawless on the Border

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Kevin Graham wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
You are wasting my time. I have made my questions more specific. How about use that brain in that pretty little head of yours that sits atop mount muscles for days to come up some you know, ideas?


Jesus H. Christ, you're bitching about me not responding as I'm typing a response.


So what.
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Re: Trump is Lawless on the Border

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Jersey Girl wrote:I can't recall the exact numbers however, the caravan is estimated at 4900 and change. Approx. 900 are females, 800 are children and the rest, approx. 3K are adult males.


So?

I've seen plenty of photos and video footage and most of those "adult males" look to be late teens/early 20's and weigh on average about 135 lbs. Serious threats to national security no doubt. :rolleyes:

I don't know about anyone else, but I think it's a safe bet that out of the 3K males that some of them are parents of the children, and some of them are what I might call tagalongs.


So?

In that estimated say, 2K left that make up the group of tagalongs--how in the bloody hell do we know what their motives are and how do you expect the ____ Trump admin/border patrol/freaking guard...to shelter them all at once so they can be vetted?

How, Kevin? How?


The same process that has always been used before.

Tell me how you would facilitate that were you the President?


I did. At least three times now.

Do you care if some of the folks are nefarious types and how would you sort them out in a group of 5K all at once, all in the same place, the same time?


The system in place obviously isn't just "let them in" as a large chunk of them are rejected every year because they're unable to prove they've been persecuted. Tagalongs would naturally be vetted out. This is why I linked the previous article. It explains better the process.
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Here is what it boils down to, right?

The same process that has always been used before.


Where do you want them sheltered? Vetted? What process? Where would you, Kevin President, house 5K people all at the same time knowing full well that there's another caravan coming north and (get this) knowing that last time this happened and the folks were housed in Walmart and field tents that everyone and their dog bitched about like their lives depended on it because heat and separations, and damned Texas.

Listen. I have been kind to you. I have actually complimented you at least twice here on you know...mount muscles for days and your pretty little head which in my view both observations are true and accurate, and so how about shake that crap and see if an idea falls out.

You shake. I'll be back later to see if anything resembling an idea actually presented itself.
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How did Obama handle caravans?
Didn't he deploy rapid deportation methods?


Didn't he admit that the immigration system was broken and push for immigration reform?
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Re: Trump is Lawless on the Border

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Jersey Girl wrote:Here is what it boils down to, right?

The same process that has always been used before.


Where do you want them sheltered? Vetted? What process? Where would you, Kevin President, house 5K people all at the same time knowing full well that there's another caravan coming north and (get this) knowing that last time this happened and the folks were housed in Walmart and field tents that everyone and their dog bitched about like their lives depended on it because heat and separations, and ____ Texas.

Listen. I have been kind to you. I have actually complimented you at least twice here on you know...mount muscles for days and your pretty little head which in my view both observations are true and accurate, and so how about shake that ____ and see if an idea falls out.

You shake. I'll be back later to see if anything resembling an idea actually presented itself.


I know you think you're being cute and witty while pretending to compliment my physique (wtf does this have to do with anything, I have no idea), but you're just being a condescending little brat and you know it. You've twice now suggested I'm brainless but this is only because you don't like my answers, which I've stated several times now despite your annoying repeat of the same question.

This isn't rocket science Jersey Girl. We've handled waves of migrants before without breaking the law or violating anyone's human rights. Your suggestion here is that unless I come up with some answer that satisfies you (let's face it, you're not really looking for a satisfying answer), then the only option left to us must be what Trump is doing.

Just send troops, treat them like subhumans, and use lethal force if someone throws a damned stone! I mean, at least that's something we can do in "real time" right?

The fact is I do not subscribe to the racist notion that we ever had a immigration problem. As stated before, more people are going back to Mexico on their own than coming in. These people are not terrorists. They're not even damned armed. This idea of evil "tagalongs" proves your ignorance of what the actual process entails. You didn't know that asylum applicants are vetted! I tried to present a quick educational outline of the process but you just spit back at me and insult my intelligence all the while having nothing original of your own to say.

This idea that 5,000 would all have to be detained in a warehouse on American soil was not necessary until Trump ordered Sessions to prosecute everyone who crossed. Going through a legitimate asylum process didn't mean long term detaining but being prosecuted does. So this is more of a problem created by Trump's new policy than anything else. Normally they'd line up outside the border, be permitted to enter and file for asylum one at a time. As long as the line is moving, they're not going to try to jump the wall. They've already been sleeping in a shelter for weeks just waiting for the line to start. The system can process 5,000 people faster than you think, especially when small families are processed together, without detaining them for weeks and weeks. But this requires more resources and manpower and the fact is this administration has no interest in providing this because it means more dirty brown people getting asylum.
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Still no answer, I see, from our resident racist and illegal alien abuser. He's pathologically incapable of having an honest exchange on this forum.

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Still no answer, I see, from our resident racist and illegal alien abuser. He's pathologically incapable of having an honest exchange on this forum.

- Doc


Says the guy who calls children invaders and beats his woman.
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Re: Trump is Lawless on the Border

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From the link I provided, which no one read obviously.

Q: Where will they arrive?

A caravan last spring ended up in Tijuana, so most of the migrants tried to cross at the San Ysidro port of entry south of San Diego.

That border crossing is the busiest in the hemisphere and regularly has long wait times for migrants seeking asylum. In April, some migrants had to wait there for weeks.

Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Kevin McAleenan testified at a congressional hearing in July that the wait at that crossing at the time was 1,000 people long. The port can process 50 to 100 people a day, he said.


At a rate of 100 per day that's 5,000 in just under two months. But the line has to be moving.

It stands to reason that if we double our resources we could process 200 per month, triple our resources, 300 per month. Or we could just reroute them to a different port of entry where they'd be processed there instead. There is number of options aside from shutting down the border, bringing in troops and demonizing the brown people.
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