Audio of Bill Reel's Disciplinary Council

[_Kishkumen]

My point is a simple one: the decision to involve Mike Norton ran contrary to the whole narrative of reforming Mormonism. Norton is a self-avowed enemy of the LDS Church. At one point he converted to some form of Christianity that indulges in theological anti-Mormonism (Mormonism is Satanic). What his precise religious views are now, I don’t know, but it is the case that he seeks to humiliate, lampoon, disrespect, and undermine the LDS Church as irredeemable. Now, I am not here to judge Norton but to point out that falling in with Norton suggests Bill’s disposition toward the LDS Church was not exactly what he claimed. I think that’s a problem for his credibility. His participation in his DC is tainted by the possibility that he participated in bad faith—not just to defend himself but to give the LDS Church a black eye.

[_Sanctorian]

Isn’t that the point? The church calls these disciplinary councils on these types of instances knowing full well they intend to excommunicate these members. These courts are not designed to do anything but ex these people. They do not have any chance of changing the outcome that is already preconceived by the church. It’s more a formality than anything else. Knowing that, why would Bill or anyone else for that matter try to maintain credibility by giving into the churches arbitrary rules of how the courts should be conducted?

[_Kishkumen]

Isn’t that the point? The church calls these disciplinary councils on these types of instances knowing full well they intend to excommunicate these members. These courts are not designed to do anything but ex these people. They do not have any chance of changing the outcome that is already preconceived by the church. It’s more a formality than anything else. Knowing that, why would Bill or anyone else for that matter try to maintain credibility by giving into the churches arbitrary rules of how the courts should be conducted?

Nope. You still don’t get it. I am not talking about merely not following the rules. I am talking about the apparent hypocrisy of representing yourself as a reformer or whistleblower while enlisting the help of a virulent anti-Mormon to break the rules.

[_Jersey Girl]

I didn't see where we have evidence that Bill Reel approved, invited or enlisted Norton's help. Has someone confirmed that? Link please.

[_Shulem]

Nope. You still don’t get it. I am not talking about merely not following the rules. I am talking about the apparent hypocrisy of representing yourself as a reformer or whistleblower while enlisting the help of a virulent anti-Mormon to break the rules.

Oh cut the crap, already! A "virulent anti-Mormon"? What the hell kind of anti-Mormon are you, Kishy baby? A sweet one? A lovely one? A nice one?

For God's sake, Norton is performing a wonderful service. Be grateful for that.

[_Sanctorian]

Nope. You still don’t get it. I am not talking about merely not following the rules. I am talking about the apparent hypocrisy of representing yourself as a reformer or whistleblower while enlisting the help of a virulent anti-Mormon to break the rules.

I think you’re missing the point. Who is he trying to maintain credibility with? TBMs? That went out the door by being ex’d by the church. The “scarlet letter” of excommunication ensures he has no credibility amongst TBMs which is precisely why the church excommunicates the Bill Reels of the world. So what if Norton played a part (no one knows for certain).

So what if Reel signed some NDA. Recording the event actually builds credibility because it shows exactly what Bill said it would show. That is, he would be excommunicated for calling the leaders liars. Not for sin. No, for telling the truth. They lied. He called them out on it and they ex’d him. Recording it ensures the church can’t spin it as something different and/or spread rumors of some sort of misdeed.

[_Kishkumen]

I think you’re missing the point. Who is he trying to maintain credibility with? TBMs? That went out the door by being ex’d by the church. The “scarlet letter” of excommunication ensures he has no credibility amongst TBMs which is precisely why the church excommunicates the Bill Reels of the world. So what if Norton played a part (no one knows for certain).

So what if Reel signed some NDA. Recording the event actually builds credibility because it shows exactly what Bill said it would show. That is, he would be excommunicated for calling the leaders liars. Not for sin. No, for telling the truth. They lied. He called them out on it and they ex’d him. Recording it ensures the church can’t spin it as something different and/or spread rumors of some sort of misdeed.

I don’t think I am missing any point at all. It is the general blindness of the disillusioned/ex-Mo community that is pretty stunning here. Evidently anything goes because the Church. Full stop. That anyone would question that assumption is difficult for many here to fathom.

“Hey, the Church called me to a DC so eff them I’ll enlist the help of a former Mormon Christian anti-cultist prankster to record my DC!”

Few here bat an eye.

I say BS. I’ll show you a reformer ex-Mo with some integrity: Lavinia Fielding Anderson. There is someone who really did want to make the LDS Church better. David Bokovoy is another person who walks the talk.

I’m also fine with anyone who flips the Church the bird and walks out the door, taking a slow, deep drag on a ciggie. Just don’t play the too holy for y’all crap and puff your chest out about the Church’s lack of integrity while your buddy Norton the Christian anti-cultist is planning his Mission Impossible on your DC.

SMH.

[_Kishkumen]

I didn't see where we have evidence that Bill Reel approved, invited or enlisted Norton's help. Has someone confirmed that? Link please.

Maybe it is a complete coincidence that Mike Norton advertised his friendship with Bill Reel on Facebook one week before he went to trespass and record Bill’s DC.

[_Shulem]

So what if Reel signed some NDA. Recording the event actually builds credibility because it shows exactly what Bill said it would show. That is, he would be excommunicated for calling the leaders liars. Not for sin. No, for telling the truth. They lied. He called them out on it and they ex’d him. Recording it ensures the church can’t spin it as something different and/or spread rumors of some sort of misdeed.

Bill Reel is credible because he claimed that the Mormon cult would excommunicate him for simply telling the truth. Thanks to Mike Norton we have all the proof we need to show that the church is guilty of punishing people for simply telling the truth.

The Mormon institution is evil and guilty of countless sins. It's leaders are men of low character.

Go, Mike Norton! And thank you for your service. Your courage and determination will forever be remembered and appreciated.

[_Kishkumen]

Recording it ensures the church can’t spin it as something different and/or spread rumors of some sort of misdeed.

Irrelevant. I hope I don’t have to respond to this irrelevant justification anymore.

Record away, folks. If you think the Church will misrepresent you, by all means sign the bogus NDA and record the DC.

Will you hear a peep from me?

Probably not. Why? Because the Church probably won’t misrepresent the DC and you won’t ever have to reveal that you recorded it.

But we all know this is not why he recorded the DC. Bill Reel enlisted Mike Norton the Christian anti-cultist who believes Mormonism is Satanic so that Bill could publicize his anti-Abinadi testimony for all his fans.

Then, when he was done he went for his victory lap on the podcasts where he gloated about shaking the faith of some guy on the High Council. Gag.