What's good for Trump is good for ... the USA?

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What's good for Trump is good for ... the USA?

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Have you noticed that Trump talks and acts like nobody could ever sincerely believe that he had done anything wrong? Maybe that is not just a front - maybe he just doesn't think the same way as people who are genuinely concerned about the implications of the fact that he combines being President with (effectively) running a medium sized international real estate business - a business whose profits are greatly boosted by the office he holds.

This article tries to get inside his head. The conclusions are disturbing ... key quote:

"At least a scoundrel knows when he is doing bad things. A megalomaniac who only sees the art of the deal, doesn’t."

In Trump's mind, all deals are private. 'Public interest' means nothing to him

Trump has described the payments his bag man, Michael Cohen, made to two women during the 2016 campaign so they wouldn’t discuss their alleged affairs with him, as “a simple private transaction”.

Last Saturday, when ABC’s George Stephanopoulos asked Cohen if Trump knew the payments were wrong and were made to help his election, Cohen replied “Of course … He was very concerned about how this would affect the election.”

But even if Trump intended that the payments aid his presidential bid, it doesn’t necessarily follow that he knew they were wrong.

Trump might have reasoned that a deal is a deal: the women got hundreds of thousands of dollars in return for agreeing not to talk about his affairs with them. So where’s the harm?

After two years of Trump we may have overlooked the essence of his insanity: his brain sees only private interests transacting. It doesn’t comprehend the public interest.

Private transactions can’t be wrong or immoral because, by definition, they require that every party to them be satisfied. Otherwise there wouldn’t be a deal.

Viewed this way, everything else falls into place.

For example, absent a public interest, there can’t be conflicts of interest.

So when lobbyists representing the Saudi government paid for an estimated 500 nights at Trump’s Washington DC hotel within a month of his election, and the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, rented so many rooms at the Trump International Hotel in Manhattan that its revenues rose in 2018 after years of decline, Trump saw it as half of a private transaction.

The other half: Trump would continually go to bat for Saudi Arabia and the crown prince, even after the Senate passed a resolution blaming him for the murder of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

“Saudi Arabia, I get along with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40m, $50m,” Trump told a crowd at an Alabama rally in August 2015. “Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.”

Ethics shmethics. Without a public interest, no deals can be ethical violations. All are just private transactions.

When someone donated $1m to Trump’s inaugural committee and subsequently received a $5bn loan from the energy department, what’s the problem? Both parties got what they wanted. (Federal prosecutors are now investigating this.)

When Trump aide and former Fox News executive Bill Shine continues to rake in millions each year from Fox News, and Fox News continues to give Trump the positive coverage he wants, why worry? It’s a good deal for both sides.

This private transactional worldview also helps explain Trump’s foreign policy.

According to Trump, North Korea’s Kim Jong-un writes him such “beautiful letters,” that “we fell in love”.

So what if Kim continues to develop nuclear missiles? Trump gets bragging rights as the first American president to have a good private relationship with the North Korean president.

He and the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, have a “beautiful relationship”, presumably opening the way to all sorts of private transactions.

In July 2016, after emails from the Democratic National Committee were leaked to the public, Trump declared “Putin likes me” and thinks “I’m a genius”. Trump then publicly called on Russia to find emails Hillary Clinton had deleted from the private account she used when she was secretary of state.

That same day, Russians made their first effort to break into the servers used by her personal office, according to an indictment from the special counsel’s office charging 12 Russians with election hacking.

So what? Trump asks.

Even as evidence mounts that Trump aides were in frequent contact with Russian agents during this time, Trump insists he wasn’t involved in any collusion with Putin.

Collusion means joining together in violation of the public interest. If Trump’s brain comprehends only private interests, even a transaction in which Putin offered explicit help winning the election in return for Trump weakening Nato and giving Russia unfettered license in Ukraine wouldn’t be collusive.

When private deals are everything, the law is irrelevant. This also seems to fit with Trump’s worldview.

If he genuinely believes the hush money he had Cohen pay was a “simple private transaction”, Trump must not think the nation’s campaign finance laws apply to him. But if they don’t, why would laws and constitutional provisions barring collusion with foreign powers apply to him?

As we enter the third year of his presidency, Trump’s utter blindness to the public interest is a terrifying possibility. At least a scoundrel knows when he is doing bad things. A megalomaniac who only sees the art of the deal, doesn’t.
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Re: What's good for Trump is good for ... the USA?

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Donald Trump is a salesman. He has a lot of business in real estate, but Donald Trump's primary function is that of a salesman. His product is Donald Trump. What does Trump want? Donald Trump wants to market his name as a brand that adds value to a product.

He wants people to come to him and pay him money for the privilege of putting his name on their things: buildings, vodka, airlines, universities...Donald Trump sees himself ultimately as a brand. I think this explains why, when someone criticizes him, he does not go after their argument, he goes after them by attaching a moniker to a person that will weaken their brand: "Lyin'" Ted Cruz, "Lil'" Marco Rubio, "Crooked" Hillary Clinton. Seeing yourself as a brand is something that dovetails nicely with being a narcissist and a megalomaniac.

All politicians market themselves, but for Donald Trump, the sizzle comes before the steak. ""I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," he proudly told an audience. That is the goal of Trump's salesmanship: Not convincing a person that his position is rational, but engendering loyalty that blinds his supporters to any of his shortcomings. Trump is trying to govern around the cult of his personality. Listening to facts about his guilt or innocence is abrorgating your loyalty to the brand. Loyalty to a brand does not require facts, It just requires belief in the brand.
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I find Trump to be a caricature of a narcissist. He is vain and has all the characteristics of a narcissist, but exaggerated and deliberately so. That guy never saw a spotlight that didn't attract, like moths to a lamp by the front door. He just cannot resist his self-promotion, serial exaggerations and outright lies. However, there is an honesty to his lies in that one can count on self-promotion to always be front and center.
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Exiled wrote:I find Trump to be a caricature of a narcissist. He is vain and has all the characteristics of a narcissist, but exaggerated and deliberately so. That guy never saw a spotlight that didn't attract, like moths to a lamp by the front door. He just cannot resist his self-promotion, serial exaggerations and outright lies. However, there is an honesty to his lies in that one can count on self-promotion to always be front and center.


His entire administration could be described by the above.

The best moments in American history:

- The day Anthony Scaramucci confirmed that Steve Bannon ‘sucks his own dick’

- The day the FBI guessed Paul Manfort's password by trying ‘bond007

- When Kellyanne Conway held up “collusion” “no collusion” flash cards on live television

- The day Donald Trump tweeted that his son attended a treasonous meeting with Kremlin lawyers while his son maintained that the meeting didn’t exist

- Sean Spencer and James Comey vanishing in bushes and curtains respectively

- The day Paul Manafort’s daughters texts went public discussing her fathers endeavors in genocide and government takeovers on behalf of Russia

- The day that the Declaration of Independence was signed

- The day Donald Trump went on national television to specifically ask Russia to hack the DNC's servers in order to influence the American election in his favor

- The day Donald Trump told Lester Holt on national television that he fired James Comey “because of the Russia thing”

- Martin Luther Kings speech at Capitol Hill

- The day Donald Trump's personal lawyer went to prison for helping Donald Trump commit dozens of felonies before during and after his campaign

- The day Rex Tillerson confirmed that Donald Trump is a “damned moron”

- The day Donald Trump's lawyer stole the bill to dismantle NAFTA off of Donald Trump's desk (to this day, every single person in the world knows the paper was stolen off of Donald Trump's desk, except for Donald Trump) Everyone on earth (including Fox News) has been hesitant to mention NAFTA around Donald Trump ever since this moment in hopes of him continuing to not remember

- The day Donald Trump told Russia state secrets and completely compromised and CIA base in the Middle East and soiled the locations of our allies. Effectively ending those operations, heavily favoring Russia’s interests in the region

- The Louisiana Purchase

- The day Donald Trump had to shut down the Trump Organization due to the shitstorm of felonies that he’s inevitably going to face

- The day Donald Trump hired Mike Flynn to be the National Security Advisor, despite the fact that Donald Trump was told by multiple people, multiple times, that Micheal Flynn committed treason

- The Miracle on ice in the 1980 Winter Olympics

- The day Carter Page made his media rounds on national television and stuttered for 4 hours straight on 4 different channels and Sam Nunberg went on the news drunk in hopes that saying treason isn’t that bad enough times would make all his life’s problems disappear

Honorable mentions:

Devin Nunes memo was a historical groundbreaking American legal document which shook the world, the day Donald Trump fixed the second amendment by declaring ‘guns be taken before due process’, Benjamin Franklin creating the Bank of America, the day Melania Trump was legally admitted into the country (like a decade after she showed up), the day we found out all of Donald Trump's employees are illegal immigrants, the day Dana Rohrabacher didn’t get elected, the day we found out via Presidential debate that ted Cruz was the zodiac killer and his father killed JFK, the day Donald Trump offered Vladimir Putin a $50 million penthouse in his hotel if Putin helped him win the election, the Boston Tea Party


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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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