subgenius wrote:Thanks for posting one clip of one drunk lady and using that to condemn a broader populace....congratulations, you are exactly what you say you hate.
On the other hand, the fact that there is no shortage of examples of people merely invoking Trump's name as an act of racial supremacy or intimidation should tell you something about what those fans think about him. But I'm told support of Trump has nothing to do with racial resentment, so I'm sure it's a coincidence.
On an aside, I'm aware of numerous examples of school-age bullies who try to invoke Donald Trump's persona or name as an act of bullying. It's a live concern from parents and teachers of children of the right age where I'm at. I live in a very liberal part of the country, so it's possible this is uniquely counter-cultural to how hated he is and those little bastards pick up on that. I wouldn't generalize it. But the fact that his name is an act of subversive aggression to children is saying something. There is no precedent in my lifetime. I wonder what that experience is going to do with all the other kids who also associate his name with being a jerk bully.
ajax18 wrote:I don't think I'm exaggerating on this. I'm pretty sure Kevin believes that anyone who wants the southern border enforced is a racist. In your view EAllusion, enforcing the southern border is a cruel and racist act. I have never seen you nor Kevin say anything about enforcing the southern border other than to say that doing so is a morally reprehensible racist and xenophobic act.
No you're not exaggerating, you're flat out lying and you know it. We had this conversation recently when I and several others said we knew of no Liberal who didn't believe in enforcing the border. It is just a stupid thing for stupid people to say, and despite having been corrected on that point, low and behold, here you lying again because it is your favorite straw man. You're too much of a moron and/or human garbage to actually make an original argument that wasn't already a Trump talking point.
EAllusion wrote:On an aside, I'm aware of numerous examples of school-age bullies who try to invoke Donald Trump's persona or name as an act of bullying. It's a live concern from parents and teachers of children of the right age where I'm at. I live in a very liberal part of the country, so it's possible this is uniquely counter-cultural to how hated he is and those little bastards pick up on that. I wouldn't generalize it. But the fact that his name is an act of subversive aggression to children is saying something. There is no precedent in my lifetime. I wonder what that experience is going to do with all the other kids who also associate his name with being a jerk bully.
A couple months ago my daughter in 9th grade said a kid on her bus wore a MAGA shirt to school that said, "If you don't support Trump, then I will help you pack your bags and you can leave America." It started an argument with another girl on the bus, and every time she would bring up a point about Trump's horrible behavior, he'd come back with, "No that's fake news, I researched it. Those are all lies by CNN." At the time they were talking about children being torn from their parents at the border. He just assured everyone Obama had done the same thing.
subgenius wrote:Thanks for posting one clip of one drunk lady and using that to condemn a broader populace....congratulations, you are exactly what you say you hate.
On the other hand, the fact that there is no shortage of examples of people merely invoking Trump's name as an act of racial supremacy or intimidation should tell you something about what those fans think about him. But I'm told support of Trump has nothing to do with racial resentment, so I'm sure it's a coincidence.
There is no shortage of people doing stupid things. Some people support Trump because they're racist and the same was true with Obama. The point is that supporting either, or any, President does not inexplicably make you beholden to everything that person or that supporter promotes. The video in the OP is nonsense and the awkward attempt to "because Trump" is tantamount to noticing that this woman is undoubtedly indicative of the people of Georgia...and since KG is from Georgia, and racism is from Georgia...well there ya go.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Fence Sitter wrote:I honestly don't think Trump personally cares about boarder security or illegal immigration. I think he exploits those two issues for two reasons.
First and foremost it is a hot button issue that Trump tries to keep front and center because he can use it to cover a lot or other stuff going wrong in the country. Crime rates are up so blame illegals, unemployment is up so blame illegals, the Republicans lost an election so blame illegals and so on. It's a boogey man out there that Trump can make his supports feel are to blame for a lot of stuff for which he can convince these ignorant supporters that he actually is the only one who cares and can do something about all those issues. He doesn't care and he really can't do anything about it. Like Joseph Smith, Trump will convince the rubes that he really is the second coming of Jesus here to save them from something, a something he himself is creating. It would not surprise me at all that Trump would be open to being crowned king.
Secondly Trump wants some sort of physical edifice that he can point to and for which he can claim responsibility. If we build this ridiculous wall, it won't limit illegal immigration, all it will do is allow Trump to point to it and claim credit for its existence. In other words he wants his own personal Mount Rushmore.
If you want to see how Joseph Smith saw himself in Nauvoo, look no further than Trump. For Joseph it was a temple, for Trump it is a wall.
I have no doubts at all that Trump, himself, is racist, but you are certainly right that he at least implicitly encourages and exploits the racism of others for his own monetary and political ends, while simultaneously outwardly denying he is a racist with a wink and a nod to his hardcore base who are counting him being just that, and hoping that enough of the majority who are not so racist will take him at his word and be sufficiently fooled to vote for him anyway to enable him to win.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
subgenius wrote:There is no shortage of people doing stupid things. . .
Your and others' continuing support of Trump despite the massive and still rapidly growing evidence of his corruption, dishonesty and incompetence is the strongest evidence of that that I can think of (with the possible exception of the recent, apparently growing number of idiots who support the flat earth hypothesis.)
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
subgenius wrote:The point is that supporting either, or any, President does not inexplicably make you beholden to everything that person or that supporter promotes.
One strange thing I've noticed about Trump voters/supporters - when asked what their reasons are for voting for him, nearly 100% are unable to articulate anything beyond the vaguest of non-sensical or superficial talking points. It's as if they're not capable of doing any better than that, or choose not to because they realize the 'problems' with their reasons.
canpakes wrote:One strange thing I've noticed about Trump voters/supporters - when asked what their reasons are for voting for him, nearly 100% are unable to articulate anything beyond the vaguest of non-sensical or superficial talking points. It's as if they're not capable of doing any better than that, or choose not to because they realize the 'problems' with their reasons.
I have noticed that too!
ETA: I think part of the reason for that is that no one wants to admit to having been a fool, and the more obvious the foolishness of having voted for Trump becomes, the greater a fool they have to admit to being for having voted for him in the first place, thus the more they double down on trying to justify that bit of foolishness.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
subgenius wrote:There is no shortage of people doing stupid things. Some people support Trump because they're racist and the same was true with Obama. The point is that supporting either, or any, President does not inexplicably make you beholden to everything that person or that supporter promotes. The video in the OP is nonsense and the awkward attempt to "because Trump" is tantamount to noticing that this woman is undoubtedly indicative of the people of Georgia...and since Kevin Graham is from Georgia, and racism is from Georgia...well there ya go.
Racial resentment correlates quite strongly with support of Trump, and it does so even relative to support of Mitt Romney four years prior. This is not a both sides phenomena that you so desperately want to make it. You can't infer anything from a single example of a person expressing their support of Trump in racist terms other than note that an example of it exists, but you can use it as emblematic of a trend that is quite present in the political data or as a refutation of the notion that people just don't have racist motives when expressing Trump fandom.