Kevin Graham wrote:And you're stupid enough to think someone that determined is going to let a wall stop them?
Um, this "stupidity" works for Israel...works.
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And you're stupid enough to think someone that determined is going to let a wall stop them?
If you thought they should be stopped, how would you stop someone that detetmined?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Ajax...the 50-60K you mentioned previously were apprehensions.
The charts are on the CBP website.
You're point is noted. But how many enter illegally who are not appreheded? The illegal immigrant who killed Kate Steinle was deported multiple times.
Okay I'm just going to say this in a certain way and if anyone dings me for it, they can kiss off.
I have no idea how many enter illegally and are not apprehended. I don't know how to know the answer to that.
I understand that you would be irked/pissed/outraged or whatever about an illegal immgrant killing anyone. I get that. I don't think it's acceptable either and our immigration process/laws need improvement.
But...how does that compare to overall murder stats in the US? Do you think there's more "citizen on citizen" crime than non-citizen? I sure do.
It's like when people claim that gays shouldn't marry or raise children and they turn a blind eye to hetero divorce rates, domestic violence and child abuse and neglect.
Do you see what I'm trying to get at? I think you're tunnel visioning on immigrants when the whole damn country experiences violent crime on a daily basis.
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EAllusion wrote:One of the weird things about the “open borders” rhetoric Ajax is imbibing in is literally no other area of law do you see people pointing to the existence of lawbreakers as proof no law exists at all. Like, people aren’t saying we live in a speed limit free society. And the Venn diagram between people who do that and argue that gun laws are a bad idea because criminals won’t listen to them is pretty tight.
I've yet to hear a gun grabber say we need to enforce existing gun control laws. I've yet to hear a 2nd amendment advocate be excused or even pardoned for disobeying existing gun laws because he doesn't agree with them.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
And you're stupid enough to think someone that determined is going to let a wall stop them?
If you thought they should be stopped, how would you stop someone that detetmined?
Did you read Doc Cam's commentary regarding the use of technology (drones, ground sensors) and increase manpower? I think there's merit it both.
I don't know what prototype wall Trump will end up with if he indeed ends up with any at all, do you think people could tunnel under it?
Not knowing the nature of the geography (500 miles?) I can't say for sure that a wall is the one and only answer. I can't claim that I research this alot either. I'm guessing that the wall or fence needs to be part of a more comprehensive multi-pronged type response to illegal immigration.
Overhauling the system, wall/fence where effective, use of technology and increased manpower.
What do you think about technology as part of the response? What might you suggest?
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Okay I'm just going to say this in a certain way and if anyone dings me for it, they can kiss off.
I have no idea how many enter illegally and are not apprehended. I don't know how to know the answer to that.
I understand that you would be irked/pissed/outraged or whatever about an illegal immgrant killing anyone. I get that. I don't think it's acceptable either and our immigration process/laws needs improvement.
But...how does that compare to overall murder stats in the US? Do you think there's more "citizen on citizen" crime than non-citizen? I sure do.
It's like when people claim that gays shouldn't marry or raise children and they turn a blind eye to hetero divorce rates, domestic violence and child abuse and neglect.
Do you see what I'm trying to get at? I think you're tunnel visioning on immigrants when the whole damn country experiences violent crime on a daily basis.
I don't think illegal immigrants are generally more dangerous or criminal. You have a point there. But i think dangerous illegals should be jailed rather than deported bcause deportation with an open border is nearly meaningless.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
ajax18 wrote:I don't think illegal immigrants are generally more dangerous or criminal. You have a point there. But i think dangerous illegals should be jailed rather than deported bcause deportation with an open border is nearly meaningless.
How would you suggest facilitating this?
Is the current system overloaded? Broken? In need of revision? Are already existing laws not sufficient? Increase manpower?
What needs to be done and how do we do it?
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Jersey Girl wrote:But...how does that compare to overall murder stats in the US? Do you think there's more "citizen on citizen" crime than non-citizen?
From my 'just facts' link:
[illegal immigrants] are 7% more likely than the general U.S. population to be incarcerated in adult correctional facilities.
From the same link:
[legal immigrants] are 79% less likely than the general U.S. population to be incarcerated in adult correctional facilities.
*shrugs*
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[illegal immigrants] are 7% more likely than the general U.S. population to be incarcerated in adult correctional facilities.
does that indicate that they commit crime at a higher rate or that they are more likely to be arrested and convicted while US citizens are more likely to evade arrest and conviction?
I'm not sure about that.
Wonder what they're incarcerated for?
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