Has the church officially slipped into Apostacy?

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_Shulem
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Re: Has the church officially slipped into Apostacy?

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Craig Paxton wrote:she can now completely bypass me and just work directly with her god.

You've broken your covenants and should be ashamed. Your Heavenly Father is displeased with you. Just wait till judgment day because you're in big trouble with Jesus. They might even throw you into a lake of fire and brimstone.

You're going to be a smoothie - Ken doll. You're going to look like a girl.

:lol:
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Re: Has the church officially slipped into Apostacy?

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Shulem wrote:
Craig Paxton wrote:she can now completely bypass me and just work directly with her god.


You've broken your covenants and should be ashamed. Your Heavenly Father is displeased with you. Just wait till judgment day because you're in big trouble with Jesus. They might even throw you into a lake of fire and brimstone.

You're going to be a smoothie - Ken doll. You're going to look like a girl.

:lol:

Hey! That's an insult to girls. We do NOT look like smoothie Ken dolls. :cool:
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Re: Has the church officially slipped into Apostacy?

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candygal wrote:
If the covenants I promised to keep are different from the covenants both my parents made and still different from those my children made and now different from those my grandchildren might make...which of us swore to keep the correct covenants? What does this say about the Mormon God who despite claiming to have never changing covenants keeps changing his covenants. *

* yeah it’s all ____, but I’m playing as if it were actually from a God.

This is why I am so grateful for not having any temple experience. It would simply make no sense and boggle my already boggled mind on what to accept and/or not. We must realize, however, that the very same element exists..and that is fear. An instilled fear still remains and that is all that is necessary.

That's ok Candygal, thanks to Mike Norton, you can always do the online, stay at home, temple endowment session and it will have just as much impact on your afterlife as the real live and in person temple experience. Just try to stay awake during your first online endowment however or it won't count and you'll have to do it all over again.
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Re: Has the church officially slipped into Apostacy?

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Shulem wrote:
Craig Paxton wrote:she can now completely bypass me and just work directly with her god.

You've broken your covenants and should be ashamed. Your Heavenly Father is displeased with you. Just wait till judgment day because you're in big trouble with Jesus. They might even throw you into a lake of fire and brimstone.

You're going to be a smoothie - Ken doll. You're going to look like a girl.

:lol:

The old TK Smoothy
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"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away" - Phillip K. Dick

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Re: Has the church officially slipped into Apostacy?

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Lemmie wrote:Hey! That's an insult to girls. We do NOT look like smoothie Ken dolls. :cool:


Uh oh. I'm in trouble now.

:biggrin:
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Re: Has the church officially slipped into Apostacy?

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Shulem wrote:
Lemmie wrote:Hey! That's an insult to girls. We do NOT look like smoothie Ken dolls. :cool:


Uh oh. I'm in trouble now.

:biggrin:

:lol: no worries, I forgive you. The jokes on this thread are too funny.
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Re: Has the church officially slipped into Apostacy?

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Craig Paxton wrote:Today the church officially announce significant changes not only to the endowment but also to the covenants and promises. Throughout my life as a Mormon I was taught that a major sign of apostasy in the ancient church was when they changed the ordinance of baptism from full emersion to sprinkling. Now for the sake of changing expectations and changes in social norms the church has significantly changed its ordinances and covenants. If this is not apostacy, I don’t know what is.

Joseph Smith taught: “Ordinances instituted in the heavens before the foundation of the world, in the priesthood, for the salvation of men, are not to be altered or changed. All must be saved on the same principles.”. And yet no longer can that be the case since different generations of Mormons will covenant to different promises


It's only a problem because of the rather literalistic manner in which the Mormon church promotes its brand of 'spirituality.' Literal Gods that are exalted men dictating literal words to prophets more or less accurately handed down over the years with a literal perfect Savior at the middle that was necessarily sacrificed because reasons, and so forth. Granted, in part maybe such a view is cultured and promoted because of the increased power and emphasis it gives to an earthly church as some sort of authorized ordinance provider (don't want regular folk figuring out how to connect with the transcendent or 'divine' in some other way, after all), but the whole concept of changes to 'revelation' is only problematic to the extent one starts from a rather literalistic view of what revelation is (though I agree that this literalistic view is largely what the institutional church cultures and promotes).

Now, I think if someone wants to connect with some sense of transcendence in a less literalistic construct there are 1000 better ways to do it than Mormonism, but that's a matter of personal opinion.
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Re: Has the church officially slipped into Apostacy?

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Craig Paxton wrote:Throughout my life as a Mormon I was taught that a major sign of apostasy in the ancient church was when they changed the ordinance of baptism from full emersion to sprinkling.


One could argue this happened when they stopped touching your naked body in the washing and anointing to just a touch on the forehead.
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Re: Has the church officially slipped into Apostacy?

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Craig Paxton wrote:Putting on my Liberal Mormon Hat, I would agree that this hat tip to feminism in the newly released edition of the Mormon Endowment 2.0 or 6.3 or 10.5 which ever release it now is, is a step in the right direction for woman. My wife was thrilled that she will no longer have to veil her face or promise to concede management of her life over to her apostate husband...she can now completely bypass me and just work directly with her god.


On a serious note, that is good, owning her own spirituality.
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