No Trump defenders left ...?

[_Chap]

Then, you [Markk] don’t even know who the VP is. What a gem.

Oh my goodness, you are right! When I read this:

'll start at the top...Biden:

I think he is a good man from what I know, and a perfect yes man for Trump. A proto type VP. I hope nothing happens to Trump, he would get creamed.

Grade for VP ... "B-" perfect for him a yes man, good man, scary if he becomes president in that in my view would be a Jimmy Carter/Obama leader...weak.

I thought that Markk had just misunderstood my question, and had thought I was just asking for his views on prominent political figures, rather than (as was the case) prominent Trump team members.

On that basis, I thought it was only the part after 'Grade for VP ... ' that referred to the current VP, Pence.

But no, it's obviously all about Biden, who he thinks is Trump's VP.

If someone doesn't even get the name of the Vice-President right, I'd say his opinion on US politics is not worth the proverbial pitcher of warm spit.

[_Markk]

Chap,

It was a typo, I wrote Biden instead of Pence...so re-read and tell me where I am wrong with Pence.

[_Chap]

... I wrote Biden instead of Pence...

Yup, we noticed that. Both names have 'en' in them, so they are no doubt easy to confuse.

I asked:

I'll be happy if you could give me a couple of examples of each kind of person ('creditable' and 'not so much') who has served on what we might call the Trump team (people, including his family, who have occupied significant positions in his campaign team or his administration).

So you've given me one 'creditable' . Got another one? And there's a couple of 'not so creditables' to come too, aren't there?

[_Markk]

If you were honest, you would acknowledge Trump has done some positive things...the economy is in a good cycle, the middle has settled down, terrorism is in a lull, people are getting back to work, and North Korea may be heading in the right direction....hopefully it will keep positive despite the turmoil.

I think you need to see this:

viewtopic.php?p=1163255#p1163255

As that article points out, Trump had a huge advantage in having the Senate and the House on his side for the first half of his term. Even with that, he really didn't do a whole lot, partly because of political ineptitude. And he made himself so unpopular that the Republicans lost the House. The next half of his term is likely to be very bumpy for him.

Amongst other things, Trump would be delighted to hear you say that "North Korea may be heading in the right direction". Others (see the link) put it differently:

"Kim Jong Un still has his weapons programme and, having conceded nothing, now demands a reward from America."

Are you actually saying the Middle east is not in better shape? The Economy? Tension and Korea? That he has not motivated the Economy in a positive way?

No one said he solved all the problems in our country or the world Chap. Our nation is divided and there is a lot of hate in our hearts...this thread shows it. I thought it was bad under Clinton and Bush but the past ten years have been crazy.

Many here are avoiding a discussion and just want to make it about me...calling me this or that, but that's okay, I was "trained" to ignore that from the years talking with mopologists, they did the same thing to avoid a objective conversation about Mormonism...name calling is the easy way out.

Its funny because I said that Trump is not really the ideal president, and he eggs on a lot, if not most of what is thrown at him...but to ignore the good things he has done is just showing I can't think out of the box. Doc does think out of the box, I like that he is not a clone, we just disagree on this one.

As I get older I think I am more objective,I wasn't fair with Bill Clinton at all.

I also said that Biden Pence is the ideal yes man for Trump, would make a crappy weak president, but I think he is more or less a good man. Would you disagree?

[_Markk]

... I wrote Biden instead of Pence...

Yup, we noticed that. Both names have 'en' in them, so they are no doubt easy to confuse.

I asked:

I'll be happy if you could give me a couple of examples of each kind of person ('creditable' and 'not so much') who has served on what we might call the Trump team (people, including his family, who have occupied significant positions in his campaign team or his administration).

So you've given me one 'creditable' . Got another one? And there's a couple of 'not so creditables' to come too, aren't there?

Do you think the VP is creditable then, as far as politicians go?

Next would be SoS....

Mike Pompeo...certainly qualified. I "think" he is Okay, but who really knows at this point. I don't know how much dirt is out there on him, if you google it you will find it on anyone. He seems to be making progress in Korea...I hope he is successful and he has my support in those regards.

Rex Tillerson...certainly understood how to make a deal and deal with big monies from his years at Exxon. If reports are correct he called Trump a Moron...so he had to go. I think he was a great choice but needed a structured president and plan (from what I read), where as Trump is obviously reactionary and emotional.

Overall I believe both Tillerson and Pompeo have done a good job as SoS in only two years. Their predecessors, Clinton and Kerry left them a foreign policy mess, I think you would agree with that.

My gut feeling based on nothing but that, is that Tillerson was the better of the two in regards to objective, yet Pompeo is more qualified and certainly more of a politician.

Please comment on the three so far...it works both ways.

[_subgenius]

Even with that, he really didn't do a whole lot, partly because of political ineptitude.

Posts like these usurp any effort your other posts make toward competence or an understanding of reality.
Trump has accomplished hella much in 1st half, in spite of the DNC's effort of "death by 1000 allegations". Judge appointments, regulatory reform, jobs, unemployment, tax reform, ACA, etc...have all come to pass under the nose of those who having their hair thoroughly burnt away into a smoke cloud of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

[_EAllusion]

Even with that, he really didn't do a whole lot, partly because of political ineptitude.

Posts like these usurp any effort your other posts make toward competence or an understanding of reality.
Trump has accomplished hella much in 1st half, in spite of the DNC's effort of "death by 1000 allegations". Judge appointments, regulatory reform, jobs, unemployment, tax reform, ACA, etc...have all come to pass under the nose of those who having their hair thoroughly burnt away into a smoke cloud of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Ah, the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.

[_honorentheos]

Are you actually saying the Middle east is not in better shape?

It's not. Saudi Arabia and Iran are engaged in multiple bitter proxy wars that are laying waste to Syria and Yemen, Russia is working both sides, the US influence in the region is insanely weak considering we fought a decades-long war with the intention of molding the region to our will, abandonment of a two-state solution in Israel and outright pro-Israel posturing, our willingness to abandon the Kurds - reminiscent of our abandonment in Iraq in the early '90's - and disasterous adventures in Libya are all incredibly destabilizing. Much of this isn't directly Trump's fault, though some is and some he has made worse. All Trump is doing is walking away while denying the Saudis are just as crap as Iran if not worse.

The Economy?

Trump pushed a business stimulus package in the form of the tax cuts that tossed gasoline on the fire of an already hot economy. He lead the Republican party away from fiscal conservatism, into protectionist trade actions, and is essentially running the country the way a predatory investor would who intends to squeeze out dollars from a business and disappear as it collapses into bankruptcy...just like how he ran businesses. If your renovation company was ran by Donald Trump, you wouldn't be working for that company anymore because it would have gone under after he racked up huge amounts of debt, structured it to protect his money, and left the other investors and people who worked there out in the rain. Sorry, Markk, but Trump is bankrupting the country as we speak. This is an area where I am legitimately concerned that Trump's legacy will be lasting and incredibly negative.

Tension and Korea?

I do appreciate that Korea isn't launching missiles over Japan, though they do appear to be happy with their missile capabilities after the whole "rocket man" escalation. It helps to feel like tensions have eased when we were openly threatening one another with nuclear war for most of 2017.

That he has not motivated the Economy in a positive way?

Uh, we just went over this one.

Many here are avoiding a discussion and just want to make it about me...calling me this or that, but that's okay, I was "trained" to ignore that from the years talking with mopologists, they did the same thing to avoid a objective conversation about Mormonism...name calling is the easy way out.

I think you're ignoring the wrong things.

[_subgenius]

Ah, the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.

geez your posts are increasingly ignorant, desperate, and bloated with a comical arrogance.

[_Gunnar]

geez your posts are increasingly ignorant, desperate, and bloated with a comical arrogance.

That is yet another example of the type of reply flat earthers give to those who disagree with them and present conclusive evidence of the falsity and irrationality of the flat earth hypothesis. Your inability or stubborn refusal to see or acknowledge the huge and still growing pile of evidence of Trump's willful mendacity, corruption and pathological dishonesty is very telling.