How how cute, subs is actually pretending he wants to discuss something.
subgenius wrote:All the while no really arguing anything, just regurgitating Maddow's latest politcal queef and insisting without justification that his so-called-position is correct.
This isn't Maddow you ignorant buffoon. It is called common sense. So common that it found its way to House Republicans.
Eight of them didn't vote for the wall.
subgenius wrote:1. Anecdotal evidence is great but there are other examples where walls do work. A 100% prevention rate is not required by the way. But at least you are trying.
By this logic we shouldn't create a wall since the current method, which is less than 100% prevention rate, is "not required." The only people a wall will keep out are mentally disabled people going alone. Anyone else with an average IQ can figure out how to get over or through a wall. In Trump's universe these are sophisticated criminals dying to get over here so they can rape, steal and murder. But they're going to look up at a 30 ft wall and throw their hands in the air?
But it is great to see you completely ignore hard evidence from the Texas/Mexico border proving a wall is useless, but then at the same time rely solely upon "anecdotal" evidence from the West Bank.
2. Eminent domain can be burdensome, as it should be, but no one is reasonably thinking that the wall will be built by March. So the burden of bureaucracy is not really an argument for/against any sort of government action.
The wall, even if construction started today, would not be completed for many, many years. It will not survive the next administration and anyone with a damned brain knows this. Why would the next administration, Republican or Democrat, continue to fund the money pit that is the pet project of the worst President in history? We already know Trump is only doing this because Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter complained. He doesn't care about the will of the American people. He only cares about himself and his extremist base. Last year he backed away from the Wall idea because it
never was going to be a physical wall, according to his own Chief of Staff. But when the same loonies in Talk Radio caught wind of this, they had a crap fit and so Trump had to shift his view again to quell the conniption fits thy were throwing. All this just proves Trump is a crappy leader who does whatever he is told by these morons. He just does whatever his racist, uneducated base tells him to do. You might as well have put Steve Miller or Sean Hannity in the White House, because they determine policy more than anyone. Every time it appears Trump is about to negotiate something good (i.e. DACA), he flips when these idiots convince him otherwise.
3. The irony of you supporting illegal immigration but wanting private land ownership is laughable.
No one supports illegal immigration to damned idiot, that's just another straw man you can't get over.
4. Its not racist...just simply put...plenty of brown yellow and other people come through Canada Your charge that the wall is based upon racism is childish and without support. Simply believing that Trump is racist isn't a reasonable argument....so spare us the whole "secret hand signals" crap.
It is manifestly racist when the man behind the plan has shown himself to be a racist for decades, and has referred to the brown people south border as animals, rapists, criminals, from "crap hole" countries, etc. All the while he says nothing about immigration from Canada and elsewhere. He even whined how come we can't get more immigrants from predominantly caucasian
countries like Norway.
Do you believe that the US should maintain any sort of concept of a border? and should people and goods be allowed to travel across that imaginary white racist line freely and without impedance?
That is a red herring, and if you don't understand this then you're as stupid as advertised.
So to summarize, your argument consists of nothing more than "anecdotal evidence" from the other side of the world, in an apples to watermelons type comparison. You also argue that it doesn't matter how much the wall costs because the government spends Trillions anyway.
I've argued that
1. A wall on the southern border is ineffective and this was already proved in the video you hand waved aside as "just anecdotal." lol.
2. A wall will never be completed during Trump's tenure and the next Democrat President would just tear it down anyway.
3. A wall is anti-technology. There are far better ways to secure the border using electronic detection systems.
4. A wall is a monument to our stupidity and racism. Say what you want, but that is exactly how the rest of the world will see it.
5. The only reason for the wall is to appease our moron and liar in chief.
6.
The Majority of Americans don't want the wall.An NPR, PBS News Hour, and Marist poll taken in late November and early December showed that 69 percent of Americans don’t see the wall as a priority. A Harvard CAPS/Harris poll conducted for The Hill in late December showed that 56 percent of Americans oppose Trump’s border wall, with 58 percent saying the president should withdraw his demand for its funding. Meanwhile, a Reuters/Ipsos poll found that just 35 percent of those surveyed supported including money for the border wall in a congressional spending bill, and a Quinnipiac poll published December 18 found that 54 percent of American voters oppose it and say it’s not necessary to improving border security.
Elections have consequences, and the blue wave was a response to Trump's insanity on many issues including immigration.
Coprophilia and coprophagy seem essential Trumpian traits.