This is probably what it will take to end shutdown
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Holy crap, talk about your all time backfires. More people watched the response to Trump by Shumer/Pelosi than they did the actual speech by Trump.
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Gunnar wrote:And what is Trump's constituency?con·stit·u·en·cy (kən-stĭch′o͞o-ən-sē)
n. pl. con·stit·u·en·cies
1.
a. The body of voters or the residents of a district represented by an elected legislator or official.
b. The district so represented.
Does Trump's constituency not include the entire American electorate, 62% of which oppose building the wall? Is not the district represented by Trump the entire country, including Democrats, independents and all other political parties, not just Republicans? Is it wise or ethical to insist on what a majority of those he supposedly represents clearly oppose?
And who is the real bully here? There is no greater bully in American politics than Donald J. Trump! And no greater betrayer of his constituency--even many of those who actually voted for him, when everything he has accomplished or tried to do is considered!
subs knows that he’s wrong on this. Not only does Trump represent a minority of voters and always has, but the House has provided border security funding already and has legislation to fund government ops on the table. If Trump won’t sign it - or even get to see it because McConnel won’t let those bills be considered by the Senate - then Trump and Republicans are responsible for keeping the Government shut down.
It has been super-amusing to watch die-hard ideologues like subs wiping their arse with whatever they claimed were their principles or moral standing as they go full-court press with disingenuous ‘arguments’ and willingly paint themselves into a corner defending Trump.
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This is what $5.7B would buy:

And where would they put these steel slats that can be sawed through again?
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And where would they put these steel slats that can be sawed through again?
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Didn’t conservatives in Congress spend 2016 fighting the Obama admin’s desire to spend 1b on stopping the Zika pandemic from harming the US because that would be an exorbitant expense?
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EAllusion wrote:Didn’t conservatives in Congress spend 2016 fighting the Obama admin’s desire to spend 1b on stopping the Zika pandemic from harming the US because that would be an exorbitant expense?
Yep. And where was subgenius to argue that it is ridiculous to refuse to pay a fraction of a percentage of the overall budget for something the President wants. Republicans in Congress refused to give him a single penny of new spending. All they did was say you can have half of what you ask for by taking the money from other projects.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/zika- ... ka-n577626
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I'm going out on a limb and bet 100 Monopoly bucks that Trump visits the border, returns to say it's worse than he thought, declares a national state of emergency and gets the 5B for the wall.
Yes, I'm spitballing here.
Yes, I'm spitballing here.
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Jersey Girl wrote:I'm going out on a limb and bet 100 Monopoly bucks that Trump visits the border, returns to say it's worse than he thought, declares a national state of emergency and gets the 5B for the wall.
Yes, I'm spitballing here.
That's the corner he's painted himself into.
"God" is the original deus ex machina. --Maksutov
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^^^ETA: Otherwise why is he visiting the border? It's a set up. He tantrums for the wall, plays Mexican stand off with the gov't shut down, he makes the address he doesn't want to make knowing he's going to the border---comes back says he's convinced, calls the national state of emergency, gets the funding, gets the wall underway using military human resources--boom done.
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Maksutov wrote:Jersey Girl wrote:I'm going out on a limb and bet 100 Monopoly bucks that Trump visits the border, returns to say it's worse than he thought, declares a national state of emergency and gets the 5B for the wall.
Yes, I'm spitballing here.
That's the corner he's painted himself into.
I think it's a full on set up. We'll see.
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