Trump's Beautiful Wall

[_Maksutov]

The wall is a symbol--as well as a reality--affirming segregation.

[_canpakes]

Trump’s latest line of BS:

"When during the campaign I would say 'Mexico is going to pay for it' — obviously I never said this" ...

So he never said what he just said he said all of the time.

Everybody got that?

[_Maksutov]

Trump’s latest line of BS:

"When during the campaign I would say 'Mexico is going to pay for it' — obviously I never said this" ...

So he never said what he just said he said all of the time.

Everybody got that?

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... ng-inbox-x

"Don’t believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news,” Trump said, repeating a favored attack of his while pointing to where members of the press were gathered.

[_Xenophon]

Trump’s latest line of BS:

"When during the campaign I would say 'Mexico is going to pay for it' — obviously I never said this" ...

So he never said what he just said he said all of the time.

Everybody got that?

Literally on his friggin' website:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160818044 ... r-the-wall

and a screenshot of said website: http://i.imgur.com/4m9CXXT.jpg



ETA: watching the apologetics from his supporters on this particular bit may be one of the crazier bits of seen from them. Arguably Trump is often difficult to pin down on specifics... but this was not one of those times. Someone pinch me, I'm ready to wake up already.

[_Doctor Steuss]

I wish someone would build a wall around Ted's beard.



It's almost impossible to pay attention to anything else. His beard looks like it's worried he'll eat it like he ate that booger. His beard looks more uncomfortable than he does.

It's like Grampa Munster and Wolverine had a love child... minus the love (and probably pretty light on the child part too). Even his facial hair has trouble acting human.

ETA.
It's like the same person who did that wall graphic designed Ted's beard.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

The only thing I will ask you though is on the wall, you and I both have a political problem. My people stand up and say, “Mexico will pay for the wall” and your people probably say something in a similar but slightly different language. But the fact is we are both in a little bit of a political bind because I have to have Mexico pay for the wall – I have to. I have been talking about it for a two year period, and the reason I say they are going to pay for the wall is because Mexico has made a fortune out of the stupidity of U.S. trade representatives. They are beating us at trade and they are beating us at the border, and they are killing us with drugs. Now I know you are not involved with that, but regardless of who is making all the money, billions and billions and billions – some people say more – is being made on drug trafficking that is coming through Mexico. Some people say that the business of drug trafficking is bigger than the business of taking our factory jobs. So what I would like to recommend is – if we are going to have continued dialogue – we will work out the wall. They are going to say, “who is going to pay for the wall, Mr. President?” to both of us, and we should both say, “we will work it out.” It will work out in the formula somehow. As opposed to you saying, “we will not pay” and me saying, “we will not pay.”

Because you and I are both at a point now where we are both saying we are not to pay for the wall. From a political standpoint, that is what we will say. We cannot say that anymore because if you are going to say that Mexico is not going to pay for the wall, then I do not want to meet with you guys anymore because I cannot live with that. I am willing to say that we will work it out, but that means it will come out in the wash and that is okay. But you cannot say anymore that the United States is going to pay for the wall. I am just going to say that we are working it out. Believe it or not, this is the least important thing that we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important talk about. But in terms of dollars – or pesos – it is the least important thing. I know how to build very inexpensively, so it will be much lower than these numbers I am being presented with, and it will be a better wall and it will look nice. And it will do the job.

You know, you look at Israel – Israel has a wall and everyone said do not build a wall, walls do not work — 99.9 percent of people trying to come across that wall cannot get across and more. Bibi Netanyahu told me the wall works. We have also hired at least 15,000 more men and women on the border – patrolling the border very carefully. We just cannot play the game of stupidity anymore. I would love to continue talking. When Jared said, “the deal is off,” I was glad. Jared has a great feeling for the plan, though I know it would be politically much more popular in Mexico and, I think, it will be much less popular for me, to be honest. I think the most popular thing for me would just to put a tariff on the border. But I am willing to see if they can finish up a plan. From what I hear, they have great discussions and it looks good. I guess they have to wait 90 days – there might be a statutory period or something like that and that might be too bad. But that is okay, so we will get Congress involved and let them work through the statutory period. If you want to do that, Enrique, I am good with doing that. And I want to reiterate, you and I will always be friends do not worry.

Donald Trump, on a phone call to Enrique Pena Nieto, January 2017

[_Kevin Graham]

The only thing I will ask you though is on the wall, you and I both have a political problem. My people stand up and say, “Mexico will pay for the wall” and your people probably say something in a similar but slightly different language. But the fact is we are both in a little bit of a political bind because I have to have Mexico pay for the wall – I have to. I have been talking about it for a two year period, and the reason I say they are going to pay for the wall is because Mexico has made a fortune out of the stupidity of U.S. trade representatives. They are beating us at trade and they are beating us at the border, and they are killing us with drugs. Now I know you are not involved with that, but regardless of who is making all the money, billions and billions and billions – some people say more – is being made on drug trafficking that is coming through Mexico. Some people say that the business of drug trafficking is bigger than the business of taking our factory jobs. So what I would like to recommend is – if we are going to have continued dialogue – we will work out the wall. They are going to say, “who is going to pay for the wall, Mr. President?” to both of us, and we should both say, “we will work it out.” It will work out in the formula somehow. As opposed to you saying, “we will not pay” and me saying, “we will not pay.”

Because you and I are both at a point now where we are both saying we are not to pay for the wall. From a political standpoint, that is what we will say. We cannot say that anymore because if you are going to say that Mexico is not going to pay for the wall, then I do not want to meet with you guys anymore because I cannot live with that. I am willing to say that we will work it out, but that means it will come out in the wash and that is okay. But you cannot say anymore that the United States is going to pay for the wall. I am just going to say that we are working it out. Believe it or not, this is the least important thing that we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important talk about. But in terms of dollars – or pesos – it is the least important thing. I know how to build very inexpensively, so it will be much lower than these numbers I am being presented with, and it will be a better wall and it will look nice. And it will do the job.

You know, you look at Israel – Israel has a wall and everyone said do not build a wall, walls do not work — 99.9 percent of people trying to come across that wall cannot get across and more. Bibi Netanyahu told me the wall works. We have also hired at least 15,000 more men and women on the border – patrolling the border very carefully. We just cannot play the game of stupidity anymore. I would love to continue talking. When Jared said, “the deal is off,” I was glad. Jared has a great feeling for the plan, though I know it would be politically much more popular in Mexico and, I think, it will be much less popular for me, to be honest. I think the most popular thing for me would just to put a tariff on the border. But I am willing to see if they can finish up a plan. From what I hear, they have great discussions and it looks good. I guess they have to wait 90 days – there might be a statutory period or something like that and that might be too bad. But that is okay, so we will get Congress involved and let them work through the statutory period. If you want to do that, Enrique, I am good with doing that. And I want to reiterate, you and I will always be friends do not worry.

Donald Trump, on a phone call to Enrique Pena Nieto, January 2017

Fixed it.

Funny how it is suddenly a national crisis and a national emergency, but just a year ago it was the least important thing. How did it suddenly become the most important thing? Because his ignorant base is now holding his feet to the fire over it, which is why it is "politically" important.

[_MeDotOrg]

Trump may use disaster relief funds to build the wall.

President Trump is considering using billions of dollars of Army Corps of Engineers funding to build more than 300 miles of barrier on the U.S.-Mexico border, according to a report published Thursday evening.

Trump spoke with top defense officials while flying to the southern border Thursday about having the Army Corps build a 30-foot bollard-style steel barrier along 315 miles of the 2,000-mile boundary, according to NBC News. Currently, roughly 600 miles has a wall or other type of restrictive boundary.

The Army Corps project would take 18 months from start to finish, Trump was reportedly told. New or enhanced barriers would go in at areas with the highest levels of illegal immigration, including the Rio Grande Valley of South Texas; San Diego, Calif.; El Centro, Calif.; and Yuma, Ariz.

But the means of attaining the funding could land Trump in trouble.

The president would have to declare a national emergency, which under U.S. law would give him the authority to take money from civil works projects and appropriate it for the border barrier. Such a decision is all but guaranteed to be challenged in court.

As a candidate in 2016, Trump called for a concrete wall. However, following the construction of eight prototype barriers in San Diego, Calif., in 2017, Customs and Border Protection concluded a steel bollard-style one was harder to climb over or chisel through.

The specific pot of money Trump would have to tap into would be from projects where natural disasters have devastated regions of Puerto Rico and California.

The Trump administration would use $2.5 billion set aside for reconstruction projects in Puerto Rico, which was ravaged by Hurricane Maria in September 2017. The White House would also tap into $2.4 billion meant for projects in California where floods and wildfires have been a tremendous issue.

On Wednesday, Trump threatened to cut Federal Emergency Management Agency funds to California to combat wildfires, claiming the money that has already been sent was being wasted by poor forest management.

I imagine this means fewer paper towels for Puerto Rico. I think there's a slight chance that Trump has given up on California's electoral votes. Can't wait to see if he ever does a campaign rally in a city in California.

[_canpakes]

It’s like watching and listening to an old, disheveled drunk guy outside of the liquor store ...

https://Twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status ... 9030079490

[_subgenius]

The wall is a symbol--as well as a reality--affirming segregation.

So, what was the 700 miles of fence that Obama built a symbol/reality of?