DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism

[_kairos]

Someone should start a parody blog by taking everything Peterson writes, adding a sentence here and there and substituting some synonyms, and passing it off as their own.

I'm quite sure he would have no objection. If he does happen to complain, just change a few more words.

Well as DCP might say it on whether he would object: "Well yes and no"

[_Lemmie]

In response to this comment:

Nyal Davidsson • 17 hours ago

Can I get a comment on the allegation that you plagiarized parts of this article?

there are two responses, one from kiwi57, one from Peterson:

Kiwi57 > Nyal Davidsson • 19 minutes ago

Incidentally, Nyal, just so you know: accusations are not proof. For instance, just because a vindictive arch-feminist cherry-picked and cropped a few quotes as part of an obsessive campaign to make someone look like a "bubbling cauldron of deception and misogyny," that doesn't mean that he is one. It just means that one toxic man-hater decided to accuse him, and a bunch of mindless Mormon-haters all cheered and clapped on cue.

Just like when some rabid hater raves that the Church "deceived" someone about the design of the front doors of the Rome Temple. When the first lot of conspiracy theorists started shrieking about a "cross" on the temple doors, I pointed out that (1) they are double doors, so the opening is right in the middle of the apparent upright, and (2) as the video trucks in closer to the doors, you can clearly see a second horizontal below the first, apparently dividing the doors into six square panels. (In fact there are six panels on the doors and two more above.)

But don't correct your buddies about that. Just clap and cheer along with all the rest of the claque.

So..... no comment about the plagiarism.

Next:

DanielPeterson Mod > Nyal Davidsson • 41 minutes ago

Yes. Certainly.

I read fairly extensively, online and elsewhere, on scientific (and other) topics. I'm amassing notes for an eventual book that will touch on scientific issues (though it won't be a scientific book, as such). I want to make sure that I know what I'm talking about.

Sometimes, I share some of my notes on this blog. Sometimes they're notes that I've taken quite some time before.

They are, occasionally, fairly close paraphrases of my various sources, and sometimes I've forgotten how closely I paraphrased.

I don't consider this blog a publication of mine. I don't count it as such. When they finally make their way into my actual book, these notes will have been substantially transformed and merged with notes from other sources. They may even, in the end, be reduced to single-sentence summaries in footnotes. They will be unrecognizable.

In the meantime, though, there are folks out there who seem to be consumed with obsessive hatred, indignation, and contempt for me -- as well as an enviable amount of free time -- and two or three of them have dedicated themselves to finding examples of what they delightedly pronounce plagiarism on my part.

They do this to damage my reputation and to embarrass me, and they'll be pleased to know that they have, sometimes, succeeded in embarrassing me. My Malevolent Stalker's fantasies notwithstanding, and despite the reigning demonology of his board, I'm a reasonably decent person. I've always feared that my extensive note-taking might inadvertently expose me to charges of plagiarism -- I've long been aware of cases like those of Alex Haley, Stephen Ambrose, and Doris Kearns Goodwin, and acutely aware of the fact that even unintended "plagiarism" is an ever-present danger -- and a small handful of my critics are very happy to oblige with such charges.

In an odd way, though, I'm grateful for them. In the old days, one of their associates, "Tom," liked to find and post errors in "Interpreter" articles. His intention, of course, was to demonstrate the incompetence of our pseudo-scholarship. But his devoted service was actually quite helpful, and, where we saw merit in his comments, we made the appropriate changes. (Since "Interpreter" is principally an online publication, that's relatively easy to do.)

Likewise, these efforts are helpful to me, even though (I'm quite confident) they weren't intended to be so. Where possible, where justified, and to the extent that I have time, I make appropriate adjustments and -- even more importantly -- I note to myself that I need to be very careful when I finally write up that book manuscript.

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So... he forgets that closely paraphrasing looks like plagiarism when you leave out the quotation marks, the citation, and use their exact words, phrases, and multiple sentences.

Also, he says it doesn't really count as plagiarism, because HE doesn't consider it plagiarism.

Also, he says it is mean of people to notice his plagiarism. (How far would a college freshman get with that excuse?). If people just wouldn't notice his plagiarism, then his plagiarism wouldn't be a problem.

Also, according to kiwi, if you notice plagiarism you are an arch-feminist?!!! Is this like Midgley's comment that homosexuality renders one unable to do history?

Oh, just one more thing. Notwithstanding Peterson's belief that he can plagiarize on his blog with impunity because he does not consider it a publication:

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[_grindael]

I've never heard of copying something word for word called paraphrasing. That's a new one to me.

And why would anyone who wants to write a book, read things, take notes and not put down a reference of where you got it from so you are above any charges of plagiarism? So when you copy it you KNOW you are not plagiarizing?

That's a freaking no-brainer. Science constantly changes, new discoveries are made. It would be ridiculous to keep notes like that and not date them or reference them in any way, because as Peterson has been harping about a book for years, if he ever gets it published, (and he won't using notes that are plagiarized) a lot of scientific data may be out of date. I can go on and on here. What he's babbling about is irrational. Buffoonery.

[_Jersey Girl]

I've never heard of copying something word for word called paraphrasing. That's a new one to me.

And why would anyone who wants to write a book, read things, take notes and not put down a reference of where you got it from so you are above any charges of plagiarism? So when you copy it you KNOW you are not plagiarizing?

When you consider his position, it's reprehensible that he would behave in this way.

[_Gadianton]

Dean Robbers, how much does it cost to fund a chair at Cassius U

Unfortunately, Res Ipsa, it's a crap load of money. Our scholars are among the highest paid on the planet. Doctor Scratch's expense account alone is greater than my entire compensation package. A lot of what drives this is that we tend to secure staff who have been educated within the West's oldest institutions of learning and who have traveled abroad extensively, and who have shocked their dissertation committees with their great intellects, in the same way that Jesus impressed the learned pharisees as a child. Some have advanced degrees unrelated to their dissertations because their side knowledge was so impressive, that their universities could not withhold lauding them for it. Some of our staff are responsible for putting presidents in office and even kings upon thrones. The world, Res Ipsa, literally revolves around our scholars. The Oxford Library that is home to more books than anywhere else, Res Ipsa, houses many of the books our scholars have written. So yeah, it costs us to keep them.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I love how the old buffoon thinks that by stating something false he can bamboozle people into believing it.

Oh. Wait. He's been doing that for years. And by years that dude has been doing it since he figured out no one is going to check or care to check what he writes. God I want to take a look at his dissertation so bad...

Whatever the case may be, he literally copies and pastes bits of articles he's quickly googled, changes up some words, deletes a few others, adds a bit here and there and then posts the work as his own. As has been pointed out that's clearly plagiarism and it's clearly a violation of BYU's honor code AND it's a copyright violation in many cases.

- Doc

[_Gadianton]

For instance, just because a vindictive arch-feminist cherry-picked and cropped a few quotes as part of an obsessive campaign to make someone look like a "bubbling cauldron of deception and misogyny,"

Well gee wiz. I wonder if he'd rather have the revelation now on a message board, or the material filed away until the books get published, and then the matter brought to light through other means? Would that be better for Kiwi? Is Kiwi so sure that Lemmie is the only person who would ever have noticed it or cared?

At least one of the primary staff writers at SeN has noticed Tom and also recognized the value in the service Lemmie provides. Criticism, even harsh criticism not necessarily offered in love, is critical to our development as people. If there was a single overarching reason to the Mayan Calendar ending in 2012, it was because the inner circle had spun itself into such a self-reinforcing tornado of confirmation bias and stupidity, that it effectively wiped itself off the map.

Companies have internal audits to avoid the problems that come from external audits. The Old-school FARMS crowd has no concept of an internal audit.

[_Res Ipsa]

Dean Robbers, how much does it cost to fund a chair at Cassius U

Unfortunately, Res Ipsa, it's a crap load of money. Our scholars are among the highest paid on the planet. Doctor Scratch's expense account alone is greater than my entire compensation package. A lot of what drives this is that we tend to secure staff who have been educated within the West's oldest institutions of learning and who have traveled abroad extensively, and who have shocked their dissertation committees with their great intellects, in the same way that Jesus impressed the learned pharisees as a child. Some have advanced degrees unrelated to their dissertations because their side knowledge was so impressive, that their universities could not withhold lauding them for it. Some of our staff are responsible for putting presidents in office and even kings upon thrones. The world, Res Ipsa, literally revolves around our scholars. The Oxford Library that is home to more books than anywhere else, Res Ipsa, houses many of the books our scholars have written. So yeah, it costs us to keep them.

I guess it’s time to fire up that MLM I’ve been thinking of starting.

I do admire the extraordinarily high standards of your institution.

[_Res Ipsa]

I find it difficult to believe that a professor who finds a web page of interest copies it word for word without including a reference so he can find it again instead of just saving it as a pdf or printing it out. Doesn’t pass the smell test.

[_I have a question]

As a help, could somebody smarter than I post the infographic at the end of this link on this thread?

http://thevisualcommunicationguy.com/wp ... arize1.jpg