Split From: The Many Problems With the Barr Letter

[_Ceeboo]

Hey Exiled

Also, his wall is idiotic

While I certainly have no issue with your opinion about the wall, for many reasons, I completely disagree.

Having said that, do you think there is room for middle ground on this? I'm asking as a country, not just you and I. Like........ How about high walls and wide doors? Think that has any chance, or no?

[_Brackite]

Hey Exiled

Also, his wall is idiotic

While I certainly have no issue with your opinion about the wall, for many reasons, I completely disagree.

Having said that, do you think there is room for middle ground on this? I'm asking as a country, not just you and I. Like........ How about high walls and wide doors? Think that has any chance, or no?

Hi Ceeboo,

Have you seen my recent thread here about Trump's border emergency??

Senate rejects Trump's border emergency

In that thread, I linked to and quoted part of this article from thehill.com.

National emergency funding of border wall is unconstitutional

And considering the wall itself, we need to remember that the Rio Grande border between Texas and Mexico is about a thousand miles long. The border wall wouldn't be able to be built in the middle of the river.

[_Ceeboo]

Hi Brackite,

Have you seen my recent thread here about Trump's border emergency??

Senate rejects Trump's border emergency

No, I haven't seen it (Thanks for pointing it out - when I have more time I will check it out)

In that thread, I linked to and quoted part of this article from thehill.com.

National emergency funding of border wall is unconstitutional

Again, thanks! I will check it out.

And considering the wall itself, we need to remember that the Rio Grande border between Texas and Mexico is about a thousand miles long. The border wall wouldn't be able to be built in the middle of the river.

Yes, I am aware that in a country the size of the USA, there are sections where a wall is impossible/challenging/etc.

I'm interested, if you're willing to lend me your take, on the question I posed above (not sure if you are against the wall or not but it doesn't matter, I would still like to hear your answer)

High walls and wide doors? Maybe or no?

Thanks in advance.

[_Res Ipsa]

Hey Ceebs, I think there are reasonable compromises to be made on border security. In fact, I think the recent legislation passed by Congress and signed by the President was a reasonable compromise. I have yet to see anyone make the case that whatever it is that Trump proposes to build is the most effective (and cost effective) solution to the problems he cites: drugs, trafficking, crime, etc. The founders gave us a pretty good system for what has to happen before the people's money is spent: approval by both houses of Congress and the President, or supermajorities and both houses. It's a pretty good system that encourages compromise as long as folks are committed to the system.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey RI

Hey Ceebs, I think there are reasonable compromises to be made on border security.

Me too. And as someone who doesn't care what form the boarder security comes in (a wall, some other technology or enormous piles of cherry lifesavers) I just want our boarders secure.

I have yet to see anyone make the case that whatever it is that Trump proposes to build is the most effective (and cost effective) solution to the problems he cites: drugs, trafficking, crime, etc.

No issues on my end. I just want our government/leaders to secure the boarders.

[_Kevin Graham]

Aren't there already like a few dozen Border Wall threads?

Jesus, hate to complain but this always seems to happen with Ceeboo. Not even on the second page of this thread and we're already derailing the subject.

[_Res Ipsa]

Good point, Kevin. It's off topic for this thread. Would someone please exercise their awesome mod powers and split the thread?

[_Res Ipsa]

Thanks for the split.

I’m curious, Ceeboo. What does a secure border look like to you? What information would you look at in figuring out whether the border is secure?

[_Ceeboo]

I’m curious, Ceeboo. What does a secure border look like to you? What information would you look at in figuring out whether the border is secure?

To be completely transparent with you, the solution to the (in my opinion) very big problem of our border security is way above my pay grade. Having said that, what we are currently doing to secure our borders is not working.

Again, in my opinion, the reason that we can't seem to unite and figure out a way to secure the border is political posturing (just like gun control or any number of topics) and the refusal on both sides to place America ahead of politics and toxic rhetoric seems to be the 5,000 pound elephant in the room....Again! Given the brain power and technology that exists in America, I have to believe that, if we as a country really wanted to, we could come up with a solution to this enormous problem.

What say you?
Does high walls and wide doors strike you as a decent starting point?

[_Res Ipsa]

I’m not asking what should be done. I’m asking how you will know when the border is “secure.” You think it’s not secure now, so you must be basing that on some kind of metric. To take the most extreme case, does secure mean hermetically sealed? No drugs ever get from Mexico to the US? No trafficked people? No people crossing illegally?

High walls and wide doors is a slogan. It all depends on how high and how wide. Do you think our doors are wide today?