Loss of democracy in Wisconsin

[_canpakes]

Related events, from Michigan:

A panel of 3 federal judges on Thursday struck down Michigan’s congressional and state legislative districts, ruling that they were unconstitutionally gerrymandered to favor Republicans who could "enjoy durable majorities in Michigan’s congressional delegation and in both chambers of the Michigan legislature for the entire decade."

In response to a federal suit from the League of Women Voters and Democratic voters targeting the state's GOP-dominated legislature 2011 redistricting plan, the judges ruled that 34 state House, Senate and congressional districts should be redrawn before the 2020 elections.
The legislature has until Aug. 1 to enact a new plan. If that deadline is missed, the court said it will draw the new maps.

The state has also been ordered to hold special elections in 2020 for affected Senate districts, instead of 2022 as currently scheduled.

Last year, the suit unearthed private emails showing that Republican had used their 2011 redistricting plan to maintain electoral advantage over Democrats, contradicting Republicans’ claims that the lines were not drawn with political bias.

This order comes just days after the U.S. Supreme Court heard arguments in two blockbuster partisan gerrymandering cases in North Carolina and Maryland seeking to determine whether electoral maps warped by politics may cross a constitutional line. The Supreme Court's decision, which is expected by June, will likely determine the outcome of the Michigan ruling.

Last year, voters in Michigan — frequently a battleground state in national elections — voted to shift the duty of drawing electoral maps into the hands of independent redistricting commissions rather than lawmakers. Voting maps are drawn every 10 years to reflect population change

[_EAllusion]

Related events, from Michigan:

A panel of 3 federal judges on Thursday struck down Michigan’s congressional and state legislative districts, ruling that they were unconstitutionally gerrymandered to favor Republicans who could "enjoy durable majorities in Michigan’s congressional delegation and in both chambers of the Michigan legislature for the entire decade."

In response to a federal suit from the League of Women Voters and Democratic voters targeting the state's GOP-dominated legislature 2011 redistricting plan, the judges ruled that 34 state House, Senate and congressional districts should be redrawn before the 2020 elections.
The legislature has until Aug. 1 to enact a new plan. If that deadline is missed, the court said it will draw the new maps.

The state has also been ordered to hold special elections in 2020 for affected Senate districts, instead of 2022 as currently scheduled.

Last year, the suit unearthed private emails showing that Republican had used their 2011 redistricting plan to maintain electoral advantage over Democrats, contradicting Republicans’ claims that the lines were not drawn with political bias.

This order comes just days after the U.S. Supreme Court heard arguments in two blockbuster partisan gerrymandering cases in North Carolina and Maryland seeking to determine whether electoral maps warped by politics may cross a constitutional line. The Supreme Court's decision, which is expected by June, will likely determine the outcome of the Michigan ruling.

Last year, voters in Michigan — frequently a battleground state in national elections — voted to shift the duty of drawing electoral maps into the hands of independent redistricting commissions rather than lawmakers. Voting maps are drawn every 10 years to reflect population change

I'll bet a lot that this is stayed and eventually overturned by Supreme Court ala Wisconsin.

[_Markk]

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I cannot stress enough how much contempt for the legitimacy of Democrats and democracy is a broad Republican issue and not a Donald Trump specific issue. It is is one of the most unifying issues among Republicans. If it's not stopped, at some point down the road it will result in enduring authoritarian control by the Republican party. What's been going on in states like mine and North Carolina is a canary in the coal mine for the country. Constitutional democracy is not self-enacting. It requires elected officials and their voters to respect it or eventually the voters part won't matter.

LOL....Ever been to California. What you fear in your state happened here decades ago. A conservative vote in CA. is no more than a poop stain in the scheme of how the Government is ran.

The only thing the CA democratic majority cares about conservatives here, is their Tax base, which supports their Monopoly of power here.

[_Res Ipsa]

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I cannot stress enough how much contempt for the legitimacy of Democrats and democracy is a broad Republican issue and not a Donald Trump specific issue. It is is one of the most unifying issues among Republicans. If it's not stopped, at some point down the road it will result in enduring authoritarian control by the Republican party. What's been going on in states like mine and North Carolina is a canary in the coal mine for the country. Constitutional democracy is not self-enacting. It requires elected officials and their voters to respect it or eventually the voters part won't matter.

LOL....Ever been to California. What you fear in your state happened here decades ago. A conservative vote in CA. is no more than a poop stain in the scheme of how the Government is ran.

The only thing the CA democratic majority cares about conservatives here, is their Tax base, which supports their Monopoly of power here.

Can you give examples of laws passed by democrats that shut the republicans out of the ability to govern?

[_EAllusion]

California has a lot of rules in place that specifically protect Republican minority power, including limits on gerrymandering. Markk seems to be confusing the fact that Californian voters prefer the Democratic party with rather extreme attempts to systemically lock a political party out of power.

[_subgenius]

California has a lot of rules in place that specifically protect Republican minority power, including limits on gerrymandering. Markk seems to be confusing the fact that Californian voters prefer the Democratic party with rather extreme attempts to systemically lock a political party out of power.

like vote harvesting - got ya!

[_Chap]

vote harvesting

I think he means 'ballot harvesting', a pejorative name given to election workers collecting completed absentee ballots and delivering them to be counted.

Did ‘ballot harvesting’ amount to election fraud in California?

There have been no credible reports of “ballot harvesting” being employed illegally or systematically to amount to election fraud.

... While Ryan’s comments indicate Republicans outside California were caught off guard by the practice, those inside the state said they were not surprised and some even commended Democrats.

“To say we were caught flat-footed by this is just not true,” California GOP spokesman Matt Fleming told Fox News. “We were well aware of this, we even did it ourselves, we pay attention to election laws.”

Dale Neugebauer, a veteran Republican consultant, told the Chronicle that Democrats used the practice in a “thorough and disciplined” ground game.

[_Markk]

Can you give examples of laws passed by democrats that shut the republicans out of the ability to govern?

Every state, and the goverment apply rules and laws that helps the majority party. And it often backfires when the majority changes. This is nothing new, and we can p-hack this back and forth if you like.

I could start with sanctuary city policies, and also trying to get illegal immigrants, prisoners and kids the vote. If your belief the left is doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, you are mistaken. It is only because these folks typically vote blue.

Offering free this and free that through laws is doing the same thing...and as you know these offers come up every four years them mostly never happen. 10 acres and mule!

[_Some Schmo]

I could start with sanctuary city policies, and also trying to get illegal immigrants, prisoners and kids the vote. If your belief the left is doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, you are mistaken. It is only because these folks typically vote blue.

So, you're afraid of democracy because you fear the majority of people don't think like you?

That should tell you something.

I'm starting to think the American experiment is doomed to failure. Religions are authoritarian organizations, and there are way too many religious nuts in this country for democracy to last.

[_Res Ipsa]

Can you give examples of laws passed by democrats that shut the republicans out of the ability to govern?

Every state, and the goverment apply rules and laws that helps the majority party. And it often backfires when the majority changes. This is nothing new, and we can p-hack this back and forth if you like.

I could start with sanctuary city policies, and also trying to get illegal immigrants, prisoners and kids the vote. If your belief the left is doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, you are mistaken. It is only because these folks typically vote blue.

Offering free this and free that through laws is doing the same thing...and as you know these offers come up every four years them mostly never happen. 10 acres and mule!

None of what you said is an example of what is going on in Wisconsin. And why do you think p hacking is relevant to the discussion?